48 week cycle!!!

[graybass]

Alright, check this out.
I just came from a seminar with a high ranking international BB.
Excellent info. This guy is considered one of most knowledgable BB's and is a pro Trainer to the stars.
He said two things that bothered me.
One, Any good bulker should be run about 8 months. His reason being that your body has to adjust to a new muscular set point. He says you must stay on past where you make your most gains. This way your body gets used to carrying the 20-30 new pounds of muscle around. If you come off too soon your body trys to change back to your old size. Makes sense (I don't know, maybe)

Two, He insisted that even with good PCT, you must taper off at the end of a cycle. He said suddenly stopping is too big a shock, and your body over reacts in many bad ways. (this I should have got more info on)

I don't know, what do guys think?

I'll post back with more info about the seminar later.
graybass

 

[plmuscle]

Everyone has their own take on the matter. Has this guy ever won Mr.O? I'm more keen to listen to someone who happens to be a pro bodybuilder that has placed in the top 3 at the Mr.O then some pro who hasn't won shit. If you talk to several people about this I'm sure you're going to get several different opinions.

 

[ramboj70]

Alright, check this out.
I just came from a seminar with a high ranking international BB.
Excellent info. This guy is considered one of most knowledgable BB's and is a pro Trainer to the stars.
He said two things that bothered me.
One, Any good bulker should be run about 8 months. His reason being that your body has to adjust to a new muscular set point. He says you must stay on past where you make your most gains. This way your body gets used to carrying the 20-30 new pounds of muscle around. If you come off too soon your body trys to change back to your old size. Makes sense (I don't know, maybe)

Two, He insisted that even with good PCT, you must taper off at the end of a cycle. He said suddenly stopping is too big a shock, and your body over reacts in many bad ways. (this I should have got more info on)

I don't know, what do guys think?

I'll post back with more info about the seminar later.
graybass

wow 48 weeks almost a entire year mine as well go the other 4 to make a year, I think it would be to much stress on the body, mind, I like 4 weeks off from a 13 weelk cycle,

 

[moralanimal]

Sounds interesting which is why I am skeptical. Anytime any speaker or article says something I always look at what they have to gain. If a speaker said run 12 weeks of dbol, deca and test he would have no audience- he needs to say something different then what everyone knows so he can make a buck. Saying the same thing dosent fill seats. However, I like any info (right or wrong) that justifies longer cycles

 

[graybass]

This guy is a star BB. Anyone would know his name.
The part I found interesting is the point on having a muscle
setpoint that your body becomes used to. (ie. lean muscle mass)
I know that it has taken a lot of years for my body to get used to being much bigger.
He said, other wise your gains become a temp event.
He was very outspoken, and said that with proper recovery time, a longer cycle is no problem.

Again, I wonder about the having to taper part.

More input.
graybass

 

[muslhed1971]

Hmm.

What did he mean about proper recovery time? I'm very interested in hearing more about this.

 

[AnabolicAnimal]

dave plumbo shared that belief that the body must get used to a higher bodyweight in order to hold onto new muscle, so i guess that's a theory floating around which kinda seems to make sense. the opposite goes for weight loss where you can't drop 15lbs in a week and expect to keep it off. the whole taper thing well that's how things used to be maybe everything old is new again.

 

[KTCKSports]

Considering it takes my body sometimes 6 weeks to recover from a 12 week cycle, there is no way in hell I would ever do one that long. But that's the kind of pussy I am.

K-

dave plumbo shared that belief that the body must get used to a higher bodyweight in order to hold onto new muscle, so i guess that's a theory floating around which kinda seems to make sense. the opposite goes for weight loss where you can't drop 15lbs in a week and expect to keep it off. the whole taper thing well that's how things used to be maybe everything old is new again.

 

[P.E.]

i just got off and 8 month cycle i loved it it was

1000mg test enanthate a week
800mg deca a week

for 6months

then to the cuttin last 2 month

test e 750mg a week
600mg eq a week
tren ac 100mg ed
winnie 50mg eq

all thoughout the cycle 20mg nolva

pct is

first week(one week after the last shot i have alot of pct so i start early)
200mg clomid ed and 50mg nolva
second week
150mg clomid ed and 40mg nolva
third week 100mg clomid and 30mg nolva
fourth week 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva and run this amout for about 3 to 5 more weeks

 

[desert]

Dammitt Man!!! That much Deca must have dropped your dick in the dirt.

i just got off and 8 month cycle i loved it it was

1000mg test enanthate a week
800mg deca a week

for 6months

then to the cuttin last 2 month

test e 750mg a week
600mg eq a week
tren ac 100mg ed
winnie 50mg eq

all thoughout the cycle 20mg nolva

pct is

first week(one week after the last shot i have alot of pct so i start early)
200mg clomid ed and 50mg nolva

Dammitt Man!!! That much Deca must have turned Captain Winky into Sponge Bob.
second week
150mg clomid ed and 40mg nolva
third week 100mg clomid and 30mg nolva
fourth week 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva and run this amout for about 3 to 5 more weeks

 

[KTCKSports]

What were you gains during the 8 months? Was this your first cycle this long? When are your boys going to come out and play again?

K-

i just got off and 8 month cycle i loved it it was

1000mg test enanthate a week
800mg deca a week

for 6months

then to the cuttin last 2 month

test e 750mg a week
600mg eq a week
tren ac 100mg ed
winnie 50mg eq

all thoughout the cycle 20mg nolva

pct is

first week(one week after the last shot i have alot of pct so i start early)
200mg clomid ed and 50mg nolva
second week
150mg clomid ed and 40mg nolva
third week 100mg clomid and 30mg nolva
fourth week 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva and run this amout for about 3 to 5 more weeks

 

[necro]

I have done the 1g Test/800mg Deca before for 18 weeks...no problem with a limp noodle...I think the 1g Test combats that nicely...did notice itchier nipples than some other cycles, but Arimidex took care of that...

NECRO

 

[Frankenstud]

8 months? thats fucked. Great way to accelerate heart disease.

 

[P.E.]

yea everything was fine down below...i gained like 45lbs the first 6 month and lost like 20lbs the last 2 months my cuttin cycle...

 

[Starkraven]

cycling like that is just common sense. what can you get in 8-12 weeks? i mean thats only 8-12 squat workouts or chest workouts. you cant adapt in 8 weeks? i dont recommend taking 1-2g/week of test for long periods of time, but only for months, then bring test down to 250-500mg/week for "coming off"

short cycles amaze me. how much muscle can you slab on your frame in 2 weeks? my next cycle is not coming off.

BTW, this is only if you are serious but you dont have to be a competitor if you want to big and ripped year round. if it means alot to someone just as much as competing to another, you cant take that from a person.

otherwise 8-10 weeks can give you a keepable 10 pounds of LBM provided you do a solid PCT.

P.E. great transformation!

 

[KTCKSports]

I just don't get it. I think when you push the stakes with prolonged periods of AAS use, you are potentially doing damage. I get enough of a roller coaster on a 12 week.

I think you should give your body time to recover naturally. I can't imagine what a body must go through from being on it for 11 months straight!. There are more important things then seeing huge gains and that is to protect your long-term health.

K-

cycling like that is just common sense. what can you get in 8-12 weeks? i mean thats only 8-12 squat workouts or chest workouts. you cant adapt in 8 weeks? i dont recommend taking 1-2g/week of test for long periods of time, but only for months, then bring test down to 250-500mg/week for "coming off"

short cycles amaze me. how much muscle can you slab on your frame in 2 weeks? my next cycle is not coming off.

BTW, this is only if you are serious but you dont have to be a competitor if you want to big and ripped year round. if it means alot to someone just as much as competing to another, you cant take that from a person.

otherwise 8-10 weeks can give you a keepable 10 pounds of LBM provided you do a solid PCT.

P.E. great transformation!

 

[Starkraven]

sorry but you think the pros come off? they've been juicing and competing for 10+ years! and they arent dead yet. if you want to take your physique to a high level, this is probably the only way to go. of course i would never recommend someone hit 1-2g/week for years on end, but a low-moderate dose year round (with bouts of higher doses 750-1000g per week for 4 months tops) is a great way to achieve maximum potential and stay healthy. JMO.

BTW, going on/off can really fuck you up too (emotionally,physically, the body goes through alot of stress with fluctuating hormones like that) and then you become inconsistent with workouts and so forth.

I just don't get it. I think when you push the stakes with
prolonged periods of AAS use, you are potentially doing damage. I get enough of a roller coaster on a 12 week.

I think you should give your body time to recover naturally. I can't imagine what a body must go through from being on it for 11 months straight!. There are more important things then seeing huge gains and that is to protect your long-term health.

K-

 

[KTCKSports]

I wouldn't doubt the pros they rarely, if ever come off. I can understand a little better if that is their career. I think the majority of us here cannot say the same. With that being said, I hope none of them regret what they have done 20-30 years from now when they are all shrivled up.

Your health should be your main concern at this point, not how big you can get.

K-

sorry but you think the pros come off? they've been juicing and competing for 10+ years! and they arent dead yet. if you want to take your physique to a high level, this is probably the only way to go. of course i would never recommend someone hit 1-2g/week for years on end, but a low-moderate dose year round (with bouts of higher doses 750-1000g per week for 4 months tops) is a great way to achieve maximum potential and stay healthy. JMO.

BTW, going on/off can really fuck you up too (emotionally,physically, the body goes through alot of stress with fluctuating hormones like that) and then you become inconsistent with workouts and so forth.

 

[gumba]

My only question is with 8 month cycles don't you run out of places to inject. I use both glutes both quads both delts. and tris for water based only. That's 8 spots, after abot 4 months my sites are all shot out. Hard with scar tissue buildup. What do you do to combat that. (just push harder I guess)

 

[Starkraven]

if you are on that long, you base your cycles around long acting test like enth or cyp. with that being said, you can take 1 shot (up to 3cc of 250mg test = 750mg) in 1 cheek on monday, and the 2nd shot identical to the 1st in the other cheek on thursday and there you have 250-1500mg test per week very simply in only 2 injection spots. if you add tren, just mix with test if not using 1500mg or add in thigh shots. this should be plenty. in any case, you are injecting 1 spot once per week.