48 year-old man presently on low dose TRT needs advice on first cycle

[djk]

The temper sides of tren are the least of it. Common sides are high bp. Insomnia. Night sweats. A general feeling like shit. tren is on a different level then other aas. In my opinion tren should be left for guys with a few cycles under their belt.

Understood. Well I am going to go solely Test E. I will have Tren on hand if i decide to use it in the future.

 

[djk]

Understood. Well I am going to go solely Test E. I will have Tren on hand if i decide to use it in the future.

The decision to use is to feel great, first and foremost. I was intrigued by the fat loss properties, not to mention strength increases. I have plateaued strength wise and was looking for significant improvements. Maybe the Test E will be more than adequate.

 

[stang4u2nv]

2 cycles before tren... As it has been said here before tren is on anither level you can either hold it together or it will break you. 500 test a week sounds perfect. You will learn how your body reacts to it and take it from there. Plus you should put on a good amount of muscle if you eat accordingly and train. Great decision.

 

[Big_paul]

No, cut down the test to 200 a week and leave the tren at 350 a week or 50mg daily. Then increase tren if you feel the need after a good assessment of results within your cycle.

He's on trt, but has never ran a cycle. Do you think tren is okay to stack in his first cycle?

 

[Big_paul]

I think more test would be a better idea. Run a couple cycles first.

 

[djk]

At the end of twelve weeks at 500 Test E, would you have any suggestions as to which dose to taper off? Presently, I have been taking 200 Test C, though I have not been consistent with it, knowing that because of health insurance reasons, I would be hard pressed to find more legally (I would have to start with a new Endo who would, at least from past experience, start me with a dose and be delighted with a 260 count, which is not what I want). The 200 Test C I have been doing about six weeks, knowing in the back of my mind that I was going to take my chances going underground (life is full of risks). Also, I would like very much to order some HCG, but I am leery of any underground sources I have considered: RUI, 1Napsgear. Also, I do not feel comfortable approaching any of the younger members of my gym, so local is out. I have not used such a product in the past, and I venture to say I do exhibit testicular shrinkage. If I can't get it, I can't get it. I have spent a lot of time on the underground forum of this site, and despite my research, I am stumped on the HCG. I have already pissed away a couple hundred on the HGHDreambody scam (I don't even know if it will arrive - purchase was so shady). That was before I found this site. I will have to make do with the test alone (I will have Arimidex on hand, and I may use it at an extremely low dose or if gyno conditions arise (still not sure on that).

 

[crossfitisgay]

First timer trying tren eh? Be careful op, tren is usually for the more experienced consumers. Keep track of your libido dosing the tren higher than your baseline test. Some folks respond different to tren in concern to sex drive. Whatever you do, I would highly suggest getting some blood work after 4 weeks in to see where your hormone, lipid, and liver panel show. You can do the blood work without a doc, privatemdlabs.

http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php this the best one?

 

[penche]

http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php this the best one?

Yes that is the one for the hormone panel. Just talked to a rep today and asked some questions for myself as well. They do have the hormone panel that is not capped at 1500 testosterone but you must specifically select it on their website or else she said it will be capped.

I'm on a decent dose of orals and want to check my liver function, AST/ALT see how I'm handling it. This test will cost me roughly $45 due to their coupon. If you sign up for their newsletter they'll email you coupons. Here's some good info from our friend Bickel too.

You got it, buddy.

One other thing I will point out is that if you have the choice between using either LabCorp or Quest Diagnostics in your area, there are definite differences.

**labsmd.com uses Quest - and on the Quest Female Hormonal Panel (this is the test most of us order) they use the lc/ms-ms method for calculating testosterone levels. This matters because with this method you will be able to obtain test values OVER 1,500. The labsmd.com female hormonal panel is $72.99.

**privatelabsmd.com uses LabCorp - and privatelabsmd/LabCorp's Female Hormonal Panel uses the method that will only show >1,500 and will NOT give you your test levels if they are over 1,500. The privatelabsmd.com Female Hormonal Panel can be had for about $57 with coupon code. So you would also have to order a separate Total Testosterone test that does use the lc/ms/ms method to get that total score if it's over 1,500. I think that test, added to the female panel, would make your total over $100.

**we usually order the Female Panel as it is about $100 cheaper than the Male Panel.

**make sure you choose the "male" option when filling out the form, as it will ask, and you need the correct male reference ranges when you get your results.

**both privatelabsmd.com AND labsmd.com are owned by the same company

I think that's enough info. Good luck!

They are very helpful and if you have questions their very eager to assist. Good luck bud.

 

[crossfitisgay]

Yes that is the one for the hormone panel. Just talked to a rep today and asked some questions for myself as well. They do have the hormone panel that is not capped at 1500 testosterone but you must specifically select it on their website or else she said it will be capped.

I'm on a decent dose of orals and want to check my liver function, AST/ALT see how I'm handling it. This test will cost me roughly $45 due to their coupon. If you sign up for their newsletter they'll email you coupons. Here's some good info from our friend Bickel too.



They are very helpful and if you have questions their very eager to assist. Good luck bud.

labsmd it is i read that before but was confused thanks

 

[djk]

Thank you everybody for being so informative, and making me feel welcome to post questions in the future.

 

[djk]

KOZUKU I did receive your response. I have to figure out why PM is disabled. Thank you.

 

[djk]

Also, would members suggest supplementing with lecithin and milk thistle?

 

[iintensity]

If you are currently only prescribed 60 mg/wk I have would find a new doctor. It would be nice to see that dosage about doubled.

Tren sides are often exaggerated. You can try it your first cycle if you like. The main issue is that it may be difficult to distinguish between its effects and the effects of the testosterone.

If you're testosterone is UGL dose higher than 500 mg. Its often half dosed. I would also consider 500 mg the minimum.

 

[djk]

Good Morning,

As I wait for my AAS to arrive within the nest ten days, do experienced members think it is advisable to invest in a supplement with a product designed for protecting the liver, like the Iron Labs one in the picture for $20 -(my plan is 500 Test E for twelve weeks) . Also, seeing as I was obese 4 years ago, would the more experienced members recommend supplementing with the Arimidex from day one (and, if so, should I front load Arimidex)? I was planning on using .5 EOD, if I do indeed from day one supplement with it.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

 

[djk]

This is what I am starting with. As mentioned earlier, as a TRT patient I have not been able to supplement with Test because of financial and insurance reasons. Also, though this picture is current, I was unable to exercise because of a severe carpal tunnel injury on both wrists (since subsided as I am no longer doing manual labor), SO I am generally a bit leaner. In any case, I have decided to experiment with AAS and see where I can go. I know some may argue for waiting, but I am 48 and I feel that i have lost at least two years to financial circumstance and injury in my quest for a healthier (and sexier, ok?) me.

 

[iintensity]

Good Morning,

As I wait for my AAS to arrive within the nest ten days, do experienced members think it is advisable to invest in a supplement with a product designed for protecting the liver, like the Iron Labs one in the picture for $20 -(my plan is 500 Test E for twelve weeks) . Also, seeing as I was obese 4 years ago, would the more experienced members recommend supplementing with the Arimidex from day one (and, if so, should I front load Arimidex)? I was planning on using .5 EOD, if I do indeed from day one supplement with it.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

The liver supplement is a scam.

Search Bill Roberts article on Arimidex. Yes, take it on day one.

 

[djk]

I will check Bills article out. Thanks

 

[Wunderpus]

Good morning,

I am a 48 year-old man who has been training with weights regularly for the past five years. I have decided to introduce AAS into my regimen. I was hoping the more experienced members could read this, and perhaps give me some guidance.

Perhaps the first thing I should report is that I was put on TRT three years ago. The doctor had me on 60 mg a week. I did feel better, but it was nowhere near what I was hoping for in terms of relief from a sub 300 case of low T. I was uneducated, so I just went along with it. The improvements I did experience were, I believe, more attributable to my educating myself on diet and training. I got better body composition wise, and I felt better (more importantly). At the time, I was living in another state, and because of a job loss, I had to move back to my old home town, with no health insurance. I was able to finagle a couple vials of Test C, and I experimented with 100 mg a week (crazy, huh?). Also, because I knew I only had two vials and would take some major time for insurance and a willing Endo to treat me, I used it sporadically. I did continue to train and practice sound nutrition.

Short story long, I ordered some Test E (first from a by-all-accounts-disreputable source according to forum members, then from an overseas source I found here who had excellent references). I also ordered Tren E as an ancillary to the Test E (I am planning on using sane dosages of both, though I do know I am taking a chance with the Tren). I also have ordered Arimex for my AI.

My question is, and I do not know if I should mention the less reputable source by name, should I wait a week for the more reputable supplier’s gear to arrive? I do not even know if I should just throw the less reputable supplier’s gear away (220 bucks I hate to lose).

In any case, keeping in mind that I have been doing 100 mg a week of Test C, what do you think of the following (I am a small guy, 5’6” and 175 pounds)…

After frontlading 750 Test E and 750 Tren E I switch to 250 Test E and 150 Tren E every three days. I am also going to be taking .25 Arimex every other day. I plan on doing a twelve week cycle, after which, I plan on resuming with 300 Test E a week.

I appreciate any feedback the more knowledgeable members could provide.

Tren? What? You're 48 with no cycle experience and want to run tren? No, nope, no.

Get some good test E, some PHARMACY GRADE adex (not some bullshit underground lab) and run your test E at 500mg's/week and your adex at .5mg EoD for a 8 weeks, get bloods and reevaluate. That's it. Do not overcomplicate this.

Also, can you request a copy of your most recent bloods from your doc, and post them up? Thanks.

 

[djk]

I have been using the T surreptitiously, and my doctor does not know about it (it is a long story and I was just worried about getting started with another ridiculous treatment in which theye far beyond prescribe some topical gel or even a forty mg a week injection). I just as soon delve into steroids,and eget results which, from most accounts, are far beyond TRT therapy. Maybe this is flawed thinking, but I am just going to go for it.
I have Test E and Arimidex en route from Darius at Pharmacom (this seems like my best bet since he seems to be one of the only respected sources on here).
I have found out through this forum the best way to get bloods.
I will post results.
Thanks

 

[Wunderpus]

I have been using the T surreptitiously, and my doctor does not know about it (it is a long story and I was just worried about getting started with another ridiculous treatment in which theye far beyond prescribe some topical gel or even a forty mg a week injection). I just as soon delve into steroids,and eget results which, from most accounts, are far beyond TRT therapy. Maybe this is flawed thinking, but I am just going to go for it.
I have Test E and Arimidex en route from Darius at Pharmacom (this seems like my best bet since he seems to be one of the only respected sources on here).
I have found out through this forum the best way to get bloods.
I will post results.
Thanks

Get pre-cycle bloods, then.

Also, the adex from Darius isn't pharmacy grade. Granted I have run it, and many other members have here as well. I keep it as a back up in case I am without any pharma stuff (I have backups of EVERYTHING).

I think you are jumping the gun here and not making wise or educated purchases or decisions. You seem to be VERY concerned about the financial aspects here.... If that is the case, making wiser purchases will be fruitful.

Just run test enan.

Love it or hate it, you're just not ready to be putting your body at risk here. If you were 25-30 I'd say, eh, fuck it. But, being almost 50, drugs like tren are scary here.

How's your bloodpressure?