4th lady cycle

[Missk87]

Good Sunday afternoon folks:

Wanted to start a cycle log as there isn’t much for the ladies out there.

I will be doing 10 week cycle of Var, Subutramine and Clen.

Background: early 30s female with 6 years lifting experience. Starting at 145 lbs, 5’4” aprox 20%

Week 1: 10 mg subutramine/ 5mg anavar
Week 2: 10 mg subutramine/ 10 mg anavar
Week 3: 10 mg subutramine/ 10 mg anavar
Week 4: 10 mg subutramine/ 10 mg anavar / 25 mcg tapered up to max 75mcg clen
Week 5: 10mg subutramine/ 15 mg anavar/ 75mcg clen
Week 6: 10mg subutramine/ 15 mg anavar
Week 7: 10 mg subutramine/ 10 mg anavar
Week 8: 10 mg subutramine/ 10 mg anavar / 25 mcg tapered up to max 75mcg clen
Week 9: 10 mg subutramine/ 10 mg anavar / 75mcg clen
Week 10: 10 mg subutramine/ 5mg anavar

Goal is yo shed some fat and see what kind of muscle I put on during the bulking season.

Today is Day 7: right away I noticed a huge difference when taking the sibutramine, it totally annihilated my appetite.

Only real sides to the var noted as of yet is increased libido and just feeling better.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Good luck!

It sounds like you will have great results with so much attention to detail.

Keep us posted.

 

[Canknucklehead]

What does your training/diet look like?

 

[Missk87]

What does your training/diet look like?

5 day lifting split

Glutes/hamstrings
Abs

Back/biceps/shoulders

Quads/adductors/calves

Chest/triceps/shoulders

Full body- I will work on whatever areas I feel need a bit more work.

Doing 20-30 minutes of walking cardio after work 4-5 days a week.

Currently eating at 1700 calories. Which is a 800 deficit from maintenance which is usually about 2500.
Protein: 148g
Carbs: 170g
Fats: 48g

 

[Type-IIx]

I don't want to "mansplain" but I see some strange things going on with what looks like rapidly increasing clen over a week, abstaining apparently for weeks, then reintroducing for a week; and strange things with pyramiding up and down with the var. Do you have a rationale for this?

 

[Canknucklehead]

Clen read 2 weeks on 2 weeks off to me

 

[Type-IIx]

Clen read 2 weeks on 2 weeks off to me

True I see that, but still too short. 3-6 on/2-3 off with a more gradual buildup to peak dose makes more sense.

 

[Jestopherson]

Never heard about sibutramine prior to this. May need to look into it

 

[Missk87]

I don't want to "mansplain" but I see some strange things going on with what looks like rapidly increasing clen over a week, abstaining apparently for weeks, then reintroducing for a week; and strange things with pyramiding up and down with the var. Do you have a rationale for this?

In the past I’ve used clen 2 weeks on and two weeks off- basically chose this method as it seems to be one of the more popular choices with Clen that I saw when researching. Having used clean before I prefer to taper the dose up slowly as to prevent hand shakes.

As for the var, I always like to keep an eye out for sides. Two weeks at 15 mg is a precaution as this is my first time using var at that dose.

 

[QueenBee]

I like your slow increase on var. Keep us posted.

 

[malfeasance]

Why such a steep calorie deficit?

 

[bigrobbie]

@Missk87
Why subutramine and not more traditional like Cytomel? Just curious

 

[Missk87]

Why such a steep calorie deficit?

Faster results. As well as seeing what the sibutramine can do.

 

[Missk87]

@Missk87
Why subutramine and not more traditional like Cytomel? Just curious

I’m a little Leary of messing with thyroid meds. Wanted to see how sibutramine would work in conjunction with low calorie dieting.

 

[bigrobbie]

Thermogenesis? Is that how it works? I know that's being overly simple.
I'm a huge fan of T3 and Albuterol personally....hate Clen

 

[Canknucklehead]

@Missk87 Are you able to eat all your calories with the sibutramine?

When you said it annihilated your appetite...how would you rate your hunger 0 bring non existent and 10 starving Marvin ?

 

[Type-IIx]

In the past I’ve used clen 2 weeks on and two weeks off- basically chose this method as it seems to be one of the more popular choices with Clen that I saw when researching. Having used clean before I prefer to taper the dose up slowly as to prevent hand shakes.

As for the var, I always like to keep an eye out for sides. Two weeks at 15 mg is a precaution as this is my first time using var at that dose.

Quite reasonable. I recently posted a sort of epic clen research thread if you're interested: Clenbuterol focus: Practical Research on Clen & Beta2- Adrenergic Compounds, Protocols

Some insights:
- Myostatin inhibition starts after 21 days, but that's just an argument to bump dose, but you can be really conservative and cycle off after 3 full weeks which is reasonable
- Beta-adrenergic receptor downregulation is real, but does not mean you have to titrate up daily nor cycle off bi-weekly. Note the AR is not subject to this relatively rapid increased tolerance (quite the opposite)
- 80mcg is a highly efficacious, well-tolerated dose (from memory I believe it increases RMR by about 35%, whatever's in that quasi-article)
- No significant difference in tolerability in men vs. women, same pathways, etc.

I'm a fan of titrating up the var given 15 mg being a high dose for you, but not such a fan from a physiological stance on pyramiding back down (unless the rationale is availability/economical).

 

[Missk87]

@Missk87 Are you able to eat all your calories with the sibutramine?

When you said it annihilated your appetite...how would you rate your hunger 0 bring non existent and 10 starving Marvin ?

The first week I found myself struggling to finish dinner. Now I can eat the food, but I never get “hungry” per se which makes it very easy to eat in a deficit.

Week one I’d say appetite about 1-2, I’m in week 2 now and I’d say probably a 5. I can eat if I choose to, but I won’t get hungry if I don’t.

 

[Missk87]

Day 8:
Chest/triceps/shoulders

Skins a bit oiler. Libido on fire. Other than that no sides to report as of yet. Dose of var increased to 10 mg this week.

Starting weight was aprox 145lbs. Currently sitting at 140.

 

[Canknucklehead]

@Missk87
Any strength increase from the var?