6 month HGH Cycle, worthwhile?

[kawilt]

I'm no spring chicken either brother (40).... hence the use if GH.

i went back to using my PHARM GH.

not sure if there was something extra in the RIPs...??

i use my finger tips and fine motor skills a lot for work and recreation... (guitar and shooting).

the rest of the benefits are definitely worth the investment.... off cycle and 2iu... Raging boners and lean body.

I can definitely attest to the lean part on the Rips, the fat just melted away. Nothing to say about the boners. There is a little swelling in my fingers though. I'm using it through cycles and all, no off time.

 

[Pericles]

How can you say your rips are great if you haven't even confirmed their legitimacy with IGF-1 labs?

And if you try to tell me it's because "you can just tell," I'll point out to you the placebo group in the Rogain trials grew hair. Get the labs, PC.

After all that arguing, you finally admit you're a rep. You're nuts, PC, completely nuts.

CBS

Lets look at the facts: I was 228 and pudgy, 19% bfat. Nearing the end of 2 kits of Rips, I am 244 @14% bfat. Bfat is 14% and dropping. I am eating 5K calories a day or more, before rips, I ate 4kto 4.5 k. My hands are numb, that is only why I run 2iu's. If it were just one thing, then yes, the evidence would be inconclusive. But when 4-5 indictors are positive, then it is hard to deny.

BTW, there are many people who do not like you. Many on this forum, because you are the leader of each thread devolving into a pissing match. There are others who rarely come here, but really do not like you they tracked down who you are, name, address, etc. I am tryuing to talk them out of doing anything, and hopefulky I will be successful.

I do not what to see and harm come to you because I feel sorry for you. I know that your life must be pretty sad for you to spend all your time turning every substantive thread into a pissing match. I treat you the way I would a cancer patient, w/ compassion and kindness because I know that you are sick.

In regards to Bio, yes, the owner has asked me to join his team. Having said that, you will not see me repping in public. In fact, I will not handle any product or any money. I will not be coming here too often, because the forum is too open for my comfort just love his products and want to ensure that my guys have access to them. Every day at the gym I talk at least one guy out of doing steroids.

I am going tom post up a piece about how to train after discontinuing steroids. The training has always been my love, not the gear. The gear just enables me to train harder and recover better

 

[ironwill1951]

my wrists were so sore i could hardly lift. i was also retaining alot of water at 4 iu per day of rips , i went back to pharm grade and no more sore wrists and no more water retention , i am also not sure if their is something extra in the rips ??
i have never heard of gh making you retain water , that kinda blows the whole point of gh. to look hard and lean

I'm no spring chicken either brother (40).... hence the use if GH.

i went back to using my PHARM GH.

not sure if there was something extra in the RIPs...??

i use my finger tips and fine motor skills a lot for work and recreation... (guitar and shooting).

the rest of the benefits are definitely worth the investment.... off cycle and 2iu... Raging boners and lean body.

 

[ironwill1951]

thank god ,,you are so full of shit... goodbye....

Lets look at the facts: I was 228 and pudgy, 19% bfat. Nearing the end of 2 kits of Rips, I am 244 @14% bfat. Bfat is 14% and dropping. I am eating 5K calories a day or more, before rips, I ate 4kto 4.5 k. My hands are numb, that is only why I run 2iu's. If it were just one thing, then yes, the evidence would be inconclusive. But when 4-5 indictors are positive, then it is hard to deny.

BTW, there are many people who do not like you. Many on this forum, because you are the leader of each thread devolving into a pissing match. There are others who rarely come here, but really do not like you they tracked down who you are, name, address, etc. I am tryuing to talk them out of doing anything, and hopefulky I will be successful.

I do not what to see and harm come to you because I feel sorry for you. I know that your life must be pretty sad for you to spend all your time turning every substantive thread into a pissing match. I treat you the way I would a cancer patient, w/ compassion and kindness because I know that you are sick.

In regards to Bio, yes, the owner has asked me to join his team. Having said that, you will not see me repping in public. In fact, I will not handle any product or any money. I will not be coming here too often, because the forum is too open for my comfort just love his products and want to ensure that my guys have access to them. Every day at the gym I talk at least one guy out of doing steroids.

I am going tom post up a piece about how to train after discontinuing steroids. The training has always been my love, not the gear. The gear just enables me to train harder and recover better

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Lets look at the facts: I was 228 and pudgy, 19% bfat. Nearing the end of 2 kits of Rips, I am 244 @14% bfat. Bfat is 14% and dropping. I am eating 5K calories a day or more, before rips, I ate 4kto 4.5 k. My hands are numb, that is only why I run 2iu's. If it were just one thing, then yes, the evidence would be inconclusive. But when 4-5 indictors are positive, then it is hard to deny.

It couldn't possibly be due to the boatload of other drugs you're taking could it?

I'll answer that because I know you'll never admit it: yes, it could. It definitely could. Without knowing your IGF-1 levels, you're just guessing - hoping, really.

Why the resistance to proper testing... are you afraid it might be bunk?

BTW, there are many people who do not like you. Many on this forum, because you are the leader of each thread devolving into a pissing match. There are others who rarely come here, but really do not like you they tracked down who you are, name, address, etc. I am tryuing to talk them out of doing anything, and hopefulky I will be successful.

Now that's just sad, PC. Who wouldn't like me? Like a certain talk radio host, I'm just a harmless, lovable little fuzzball.

I love the subtle way you recast Bio's threats while attempting to absolve yourself of any culpability. I can see why they hired you. You might have finally found your calling, PC.

I do not what to see and harm come to you because I feel sorry for you. I know that your life must be pretty sad for you to spend all your time turning every substantive thread into a pissing match. I treat you the way I would a cancer patient, w/ compassion and kindness because I know that you are sick.

Thanks for your compassion and understanding, PC. You really know how to tug at the heart strings. In fact, I'm tearing up as I write this. So much so that I'd like to take this opportunity to cordially invite you to go fuck yourself with a rake.

In regards to Bio, yes, the owner has asked me to join his team. Having said that, you will not see me repping in public. In fact, I will not handle any product or any money. I will not be coming here too often, because the forum is too open for my comfort just love his products and want to ensure that my guys have access to them. Every day at the gym I talk at least one guy out of doing steroids.

Whatever helps you sleep at night as you ignore your Stockholm syndrome.

Hey, now that you're officially on the payroll of that ugl that stores its customer's information and then threatens them with it for complaining, maybe you can talk them out of coming to get me. Did I tell you I'm really scared, PC? I better hire some Gurkhas just in case you're unsuccessful.

I am going tom post up a piece about how to train after discontinuing steroids. The training has always been my love, not the gear. The gear just enables me to train harder and recover better

Well, isn't that special. Another treatise from our resident research scientist. I'm sure many will be waiting for that one with bated breath. I see another Pulitzer Prize in your future, PC.

CBS

P.S. Learn to quote properly, PC. You caused IW51 to mistakenly quote me as the author of that polemic.

 

[Dr JIM]

Gotta admit it PC to attribute gains to the efficacy of an unknown drug while using other PEDs which have similar if not identical benefits seems more than just biased.

Nope that form of "ulterior motive" commentary we have seen before on Meso and even YOU understood why others were reluctant to believe the unbelievable (results)!

You know what I'm talking about PC right? Espousing to the notion GENERIC GH sold to the average BB (rather than that what YOU received as their rep) is just as good as Pharm Grade.

Well let me tell you PC your "opinion" must now be considered adultered BULLSHIT!

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

I guess now it's obvious WHY you turned down my offer, lol!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

You know what I'm talking about PC right? Espousing to the notion GENERIC GH sold to the average BB (rather than that what YOU received as their rep) is just as good as Pharm Grade.

Well let me tell you PC your "opinion" must now be considered adultered BULLSHIT!

Sooo... you're saying nothing's changed then?

 

[Dr JIM]

Pathetic!!!

 

[gp77]

Pathetic!!!

Dr Jim
Your avatar is amazing.
I'm not talking about king kong.

 

[Pericles]

It couldn't possibly be due to the boatload of other drugs you're taking could it?

I'll answer that because I know you'll never admit it: yes, it could. It definitely could. Without knowing your IGF-1 levels, you're just guessing - hoping, really.

Why the resistance to proper testing... are you afraid it might be bunk?



Now that's just sad, PC. Who wouldn't like me? Like a certain talk radio host, I'm just a harmless, lovable little fuzzball.

I love the subtle way you recast Bio's threats while attempting to absolve yourself of any culpability. I can see why they hired you. You might have finally found your calling, PC.




Thanks for your compassion and understanding, PC. You really know how to tug at the heart strings. In fact, I'm tearing up as I write this. So much so that I'd like to take this opportunity to cordially invite you to go fuck yourself with a rake.



Whatever helps you sleep at night as you ignore your Stockholm syndrome.

Hey, now that you're officially on the payroll of that ugl that stores its customer's information and then threatens them with it for complaining, maybe you can talk them out of coming to get me. Did I tell you I'm really scared, PC? I better hire some Gurkhas just in case you're unsuccessful.



Well, isn't that special. Another treatise from our resident research scientist. I'm sure many will be waiting for that one with bated breath. I see another Pulitzer Prize in your future, PC.

CBS

P.S. Learn to quote properly, PC. You caused IW51 to mistakenly quote me as the author of that polemic.

Boatload of other drugs? I was on 400 test, 200 npp, week. I was doing a total of 160 mgs of orals (mix of var, winney, d-bol).

How is that a boatload?

I get tested every 6 months, so I will have IGF-1 levels in about 6 weeks.

And everyone needs to know that CBS changed his email, and tried to order Nord pens from Bio (we have them, price is excellent). That is how they tracked you down.

You see, you ruined the best ugl ever for this forum. The highest quality I have ever had, and I used nothing but pharm at one time. I sell my pharm/trt test and instead use Bio, that is how good it is.

Painless prop, overdosed var, etc. You did a disservice to members of this forum with your incessant which hunt. You have also cost people a lot money, and that is what it comes down to.

I will post a recent pic I have used 95% Bio.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Boatload of other drugs? I was on 400 test, 200 npp, week. I was doing a total of 160 mgs of orals (mix of var, winney, d-bol).

How is that a boatload?

1120mg of oral
600mg of injectables
=
1720mg/wk

Sounds like a boatload to me.

And everyone needs to know that CBS changed his email, and tried to order Nord pens from Bio. That is how they tracked you down.

You're funny. I never ordered from Bio when even when they were supposed to be good. You couldn't pay me enough to get me to order from them now. You're more delusional than ever, PC.

I see you still haven't figured out how to quote properly, Mr. PhD.

 

[Pericles]

No, 160-200 mgs of orals per week. 40 mgs on the days I lift (4-5).

I stopped the orals and npp a week ago. I am now on 400 test, and 2 IU's of GH. Rips have been great, but it is my hope that the Nords will have less sides, namely numb hands. Of course you know that, or you would not have tried to buy some from Bio. The potency of the Rips is excellent.

You also tried to convince the guy that I was LE[)] Priceless.

 

[Dr JIM]

Kaw
What do you mean "your IGF range"? Are you referring to the labs reference ranges?

So let's see here there are MULTIPLE studies which show IGF typically DOUBLES at a rHGH dose of 0.1 IU/kg (study looking at Small for Gestational Age infants)

However your using ONLY 2.5 IU of "Rips" QD and assuming your weight is 70KG (I'm suspect it's higher)

Your achieving the same results from a GENERIC GH product than that which is achievable with Pharm Grade rHGH at THREE TIMES the DOSAGE!

Utterly AMAZING BULLSHIT!

For STARTERS how about you post those labs fella, lol!

Damn the tainted garbage which rolls thru this forum is literally unbelievable!

PC it's interesting your now working for a lab STRETCH himself said was NOT GTG.

Fuck me I hope other Meso members understand the magnitude of the malignant deception which continues to fester at BioLogic.

Jimmy

 

[Millard]

BTW, there are many people who do not like you. Many on this forum, because you are the leader of each thread devolving into a pissing match. There are others who rarely come here, but really do not like you they tracked down who you are, name, address, etc. I am tryuing to talk them out of doing anything, and hopefulky I will be successful.

Thank you Pericles for bringing this to the attention of MESO. Sources who threaten members, in any manner but particularly with implied threats of violence, are deplorable.

Scamming members out of money is one thing. So is sending bogus or underdosed products. But threatening physical violence against members for criticizing a source and/or otherwise exercising their right to free speech at MESO? There is absolutely nothing worse than this type of source. Such pathetic sources should be avoided at all costs.

Once a source has exhibited such violent tendencies, members/consumers should never send them another dime. Consumers should do everything they can to inform other people. This should be entirely unacceptable to this community. It is unforgiveable and should never be forgotten.

Any member/consumer who continues to support such a source is not a friend of the community. Their motives are not for the good of the community. They have made a choice. Their motives are selfish. They are a friend of the source. They are complicit in such pathetic and dangerous behavior that places members at risk of serious harm.

Members need to stick together and watch each others back.

Pericles, your efforts to intervene and thwart any violence are appreciated. In addition, anything you can do to identify the source and the individuals behind the source would be welcome.

Your efforts to highlight the aforementioned practices will hopefully have a major impact in driving business AWAY from this source.

Thank you.

 

[kawilt]

my wrists were so sore i could hardly lift. i was also retaining alot of water at 4 iu per day of rips , i went back to pharm grade and no more sore wrists and no more water retention , i am also not sure if their is something extra in the rips ??
i have never heard of gh making you retain water , that kinda blows the whole point of gh. to look hard and lean

Talking to a rep at a clinic and looking at the webs of the pharm. companies, They all seem to mention hand and wrist pain, swelling, tingling and numbing of the fingers and a few other things when your injecting too much. Too much seems to be somewhere over 2 and 2.5 depending on the person. This is all pharm grade, so obviously I haven't a clue about RIPs. But I'm sure you guy's have checked in to this also. Doesn't mention water retention in the body per say, mostly talks about the hands. Had the same sides years ago with IPs GH (finger swelling only, no pain for me).

 

[mands]

As much as I hate to say it, CBS is right: Bio is private and even their web site is private too. However, I have the code and if you have that and a reference from me, you can buy from them.

So you are repping in public...

In regards to Bio, yes, the owner has asked me to join his team. Having said that, you will not see me repping in public. In fact, I will not handle any product or any money. I will not be coming here too often, because the forum is too open for my comfort just love his products and want to ensure that my guys have access to them. Every day at the gym I talk at least one guy out of doing steroids

Wait NO your aren't repping in public... Wait you are? lol Classic.

Bio has threatened members of this board and you are repping for them? Pathetic. PC just wants to be the BIG MAN on campus. You know what happens to the big man on campus?

mands

 

[mands]

Lets look at the facts: I was 228 and pudgy, 19% bfat. Nearing the end of 2 kits of Rips, I am 244 @14% bfat. Bfat is 14% and dropping. I am eating 5K calories a day or more, before rips, I ate 4kto 4.5 k. My hands are numb, that is only why I run 2iu's. If it were just one thing, then yes, the evidence would be inconclusive. But when 4-5 indictors are positive, then it is hard to deny.

BTW, there are many people who do not like you. Many on this forum, because you are the leader of each thread devolving into a pissing match. There are others who rarely come here, but really do not like you they tracked down who you are, name, address, etc. I am tryuing to talk them out of doing anything, and hopefulky I will be successful.

I do not what to see and harm come to you because I feel sorry for you. I know that your life must be pretty sad for you to spend all your time turning every substantive thread into a pissing match. I treat you the way I would a cancer patient, w/ compassion and kindness because I know that you are sick.

In regards to Bio, yes, the owner has asked me to join his team. Having said that, you will not see me repping in public. In fact, I will not handle any product or any money. I will not be coming here too often, because the forum is too open for my comfort just love his products and want to ensure that my guys have access to them. Every day at the gym I talk at least one guy out of doing steroids.

I am going tom post up a piece about how to train after discontinuing steroids. The training has always been my love, not the gear. The gear just enables me to train harder and recover better

So wait what is your real weight and where did you really start at? Here you state you started at 228 and pudgy. Over at TID you posted in Dec. you were over 240. Not you are 244. So in 30 days you lost 16 pounds then after about 20 days you gained 16 pounds back and lost 5% bf. lol

PC you posted these two post within a month of each other in the same thread. Why can't anyone tell you are full of shit besides a few of us. It's that damn 95% rule.

I would suggest you go back and read what you wrote if you are going to lie about what you are and how you got there.

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Thanks everyone, good advice. I need to get over here more often, as I want to avoid all the pissing matches at my regular forum (which also has a very important role to play in my PED world).

I started at 5IU's of rips on a 5-2 schedule. The Rips have been tested, both for growth and by elevated IGF-1 levels. Hands have become numb, so I am backing off to 3 IU's, 5-2. I plan on running for 6 months.

When I started, I had been off all gear for 4 weeks (was still on pct, taking Nolvadex). W/in 12 days, I gained 15 lbs....I know that was mostly water. I then went back on test c (have a script) plus some test p. Also using DMN, a long acting deca and NPP. Pumped about 600 mgs of DMN/NPP and 400of test.

I will stop taking DMN soon, especially as it would leave metabolites around for months. Will be using a combo of test c/p 500 mgs/week and NPP, 350/week.

I am over 240 lbs, so I am not as concerned about getting big anymore, I just want t get leaner, a bit stronger, and also have top cardio when I teach grappling.

Starting 40 mgs of var, then switching over to winney.

When I was competing, and also doing gear programs for other combat athletes, I would have them run 400 test/week, 300 EQ, and Halotestin before fighting/training. My Hematocrit gets too high, so EQ is out, unless I can give a blood donation.


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Update: Finishing 2nd kit....OMG: Went from a pudgy 228, to a much leaner 244. Got pretty severe hand numbness, dropped down to 1.5 IU's and hands still numb. Eating a lot om food, 5k calories. And my other gear was modest: 400-450 test, 250 deca/NPP, 20 mgs of var and 20 of D-Bol before lifting. Doing tons of cardio (hard, Grappling Bag work some stand up sparing and the kids I teach are starting to kick my my cardio system to the limit..

My plan is to run 1.5 IUs' for life.

mands

 

[Pericles]

Millard, the threat was not physical, the threat was to expose CBS for the hypocrite that he is. He has never done any Bio products, yet is an authority on their quality. That is all I care about.

Bio has his emails...(I, Bio) know its him because he quoted me from a response I gave to his email. Remember he also said he wants to buy from me. So for everybody to see CBS wants to buy from me but says my shit sucks should tell the "tale".*

The larger issue is that every substantive thread on this forum degenerates into a childish pissing match once CBS gets involved. On one hand, I understand that the driving force of MESO is to not censor any one or anything. However, the result is that every discussion on this board, once CBS jumps in becomes a parasitic toxin, under the guise of “protecting the noobs from being scammed” etc.

That means that people who genuinely want to help others get no where here. They end up at places like TID, where everyone is trying to actually help one another. My bottom line is results, Look at Gunney and Chris. Both have radically improved their physique under my tutelage. I have 37 years of experience coaching high level athletes. Unfortunately, it is no longer possible to help people on this forum.

This thread was supposed to be about running GH for 6 months.

What does any of the crap over the last few pages address the OP's question?

Nothing. Mands, could help, but he is more interested in sucking CBS' balls. I don't even read his posts anymore, but he proves my point. He is a guy that knows how to train, eat, and run gear. He actually his built a good physique.

Instead, he is more interested in giving his opinions of me. He even went over to another forum, probably spent an hour or so posting (didn't waste time reading it). How does that address the OT?

Mands, why don't you send me a PM, instead of contributing to the derailing the thread. New guys are going bto wonder "what the fuck, is running only 6 months of GH worth it?"

BTW, my answer is yes.

 

[Dr JIM]

Are you really that naive PC, remember the PM I sent you recently in which you declined my offer?

Dude connect a few dots, lol!!!