A few weeks in- next step question

[thejumpingsheep]

Well I literally just started my cycle last week and honestly it’s very low dose, my NPP is more for joint relief than anything.

Anyway point being- I’m open to any advice. Now does that mean you have to sound so attacking when you give the advice? No. So I’m sorry but you come off as someone that’s not here to help anyone out. Anyway, judge away my friends. I said there was belly fat but the way you replied you would think I’m either 500lbs overweight, or a woman. So go ahead and let me have it I guess. Definitely don’t think I’m as fat as what you had in mind, but I know there’s a belly there. View attachment 372002View attachment 372003View attachment 372004

LoL welcome to Meso. You should be more insulted if you DONT get attacked. At least you know that we care when we bust your chops. Get used to it.

And yea you are fat my friend. Nothing to be ashamed of. I had some of my best years when I was fat. I ate what I wanted, made lots of money, had tons of sex, and I didnt give a F. But eventually I had to get back into shape.

Based on what you said, your diet and training are crap. I see little to no muscle on you and given height, weight and BF% you have about 130lb muscle mass. This is what I would expect from someone who has never worked out.

1 - Pull bloods to make sure you dont have some sort of disorder.

2 - GLP1 blocker will help you control diet.

3 - Diet should be about 35% protein give or take, and maybe 35% carbs and 30% fats. You can mess with the carbs and fats a little but protein is needed to build and maintain and you need carbs.

Given your muscle mass of about 130lb, your daily caloric burn is probably about 1800kcal. Given your lack of muscle, I would say your exercise routine is on the lighter side and your total burn on those days is likely around 2100cal give or take. Now you have to fit your diet around that calorie baseline.

Now here is the tough part

4 - Maintain muscle mass while losing weight... this means, fix your exercise routine. Intensity seems too low else you would have a lot more muscle mass by this age. Make sure health is ok and raise intensity.


You dont need roids yet unless your T levels are insanely low. You will get tons of gains without them initially.

 

[Elektrobot]

A drastic change in food is how you will get most of your progress right now

You ate yourself into this condition. You have to un-eat your way out of it.

You don't look like you do because you weren't taking steroids

You don't look like you do because you weren't going to the gym

You look like you do because of your food

And the only thing that will change it..... is changing your food

Think of working out as an ancillary to your primary goal of fixing your food plan and adhering to it

Use resistance training as a stimulus to try and get your body to error on the side of shedding adipose tissue instead of contractile tissue while you are in your deficit.

Right now you are a weight loss bro. Not a gym bro

Get a macro tracking app

Calculate your maintenance calories

Determine what level of deficit you are going to keep ( I'd go for 700-1,000 calories below maintenance), and stay in that deficit until you can see a full 8 pack of abs and striations in your chest. Just live there. That is your only goal. Living in a calorie deficit like a champ until you get rid of all the food you pre-ate.

Get a food scale

Weigh everything you put in your mouth

Track it in your app

And do not exceed your daily calorie count

I'd knock fat down to 15% and split the difference between carbs and protein

Foods like egg whites, chicken breast and rice are going to be your companions for a while. Get to know them well.

Weight training while fasted sounds like some chat gpt level advice

After a few months of having your food sorted out, developed good habits of weighing and tracking everything, and know what foods you should be eating to fit your macros...... the next step is to go get a personal trainer.

 

[Earlybyrdy]

A drastic change in food is how you will get most of your progress right now

You ate yourself into this condition. You have to un-eat your way out of it.

You don't look like you do because you weren't taking steroids

You don't look like you do because you weren't going to the gym

You look like you do because of your food

And the only thing that will change it..... is changing your food

Think of working out as an ancillary to your primary goal of fixing your food plan and adhering to it

Use resistance training as a stimulus to try and get your body to error on the side of shedding adipose tissue instead of contractile tissue while you are in your deficit.

Right now you are a weight loss bro. Not a gym bro

Get a macro tracking app

Calculate your maintenance calories

Determine what level of deficit you are going to keep ( I'd go for 700-1,000 calories below maintenance), and stay in that deficit until you can see a full 8 pack of abs and striations in your chest. Just live there. That is your only goal. Living in a calorie deficit like a champ until you get rid of all the food you pre-ate.

Get a food scale

Weigh everything you put in your mouth

Track it in your app

And do not exceed your daily calorie count

I'd knock fat down to 15% and split the difference between carbs and protein

Foods like egg whites, chicken breast and rice are going to be your companions for a while. Get to know them well.

Weight training while fasted sounds like some chat gpt level advice

After a few months of having your food sorted out, developed good habits of weighing and tracking everything, and know what foods you should be eating to fit your macros...... the next step is to go get a personal trainer.

I’m torn. I want to take your advice. But it’s tricky when everything I do is the opposite of what you’re telling me about myself. I’ve been going to the gym for 2 years straight, I go 6 days a week. I work out each muscle group 3-4 sets. I’m intense in the gym. I eat everything you just said. I don’t eat bread or sugar. For example my dinner tonight was a huge protein bowl of bulgar, ground beef, avocado, eggs. This is what I do EVERY day in terms of how I eat. I track my food (recently haven’t been logging for about 2 weeks). Why do you make statements about me that aren’t true? (“You weren’t going to the gym”- I go there 6 days a week, every morning.), saying I eat shitty good when really I eat super clean every day. I tried to tell you these things about myself in the 1st post, and now you’re pretending i didn’t tell you that about myself? Assuming I don’t track? At what point did I say I don’t track my food? I won’t argue with you about training while fasted, because that’s what I do- and have seen progress from where I started. So do you see my dilemma? I have you (and guy above), saying everything about me that completely isn’t true. So that’s why I’m torn on taking this advice. I want to but…so many things you’re saying are just not me. You’re so far off on everything but the working out while fasted. I don’t know where you’re getting this misinformation my guy

 

[Earlybyrdy]

A drastic change in food is how you will get most of your progress right now

You ate yourself into this condition. You have to un-eat your way out of it.

You don't look like you do because you weren't taking steroids

You don't look like you do because you weren't going to the gym

You look like you do because of your food

And the only thing that will change it..... is changing your food

Think of working out as an ancillary to your primary goal of fixing your food plan and adhering to it

Use resistance training as a stimulus to try and get your body to error on the side of shedding adipose tissue instead of contractile tissue while you are in your deficit.

Right now you are a weight loss bro. Not a gym bro

Get a macro tracking app

Calculate your maintenance calories

Determine what level of deficit you are going to keep ( I'd go for 700-1,000 calories below maintenance), and stay in that deficit until you can see a full 8 pack of abs and striations in your chest. Just live there. That is your only goal. Living in a calorie deficit like a champ until you get rid of all the food you pre-ate.

Get a food scale

Weigh everything you put in your mouth

Track it in your app

And do not exceed your daily calorie count

I'd knock fat down to 15% and split the difference between carbs and protein

Foods like egg whites, chicken breast and rice are going to be your companions for a while. Get to know them well.

Weight training while fasted sounds like some chat gpt level advice

After a few months of having your food sorted out, developed good habits of weighing and tracking everything, and know what foods you should be eating to fit your macros...... the next step is to go get a personal trainer.

You gotta be kidding me? A drastic change in food- no thank you. Breakfast- double protein shake after the gym with a banana and black berries. Lunch- 5 eggs with ground beef, dinner- protein bowl or whatever lean protein I have on hand. That’s routine shit. Not just once in a while. I’m a robot like that. So sorry I won’t be taking advice about changing what I eat bro. It’s comical at this point

 

[Earlybyrdy]

trvth nvke.
you need a good recomp.
gear will make it easier to tolerate the visuals.
Low dose only tho. 250 test.
get tirz, go in a steep deficit (4-700 cals). tirz makes it tolerable to be in a deficit.
really improve your training and cardio.

do a few maintenance/massing phases in between.

that will uncook your physique in 2-3 years.

Well already being on Reta, I’d never want Tirz to be completely honest with you my friend

 

[thejumpingsheep]

So just based on looks, you dont look like you have ever worked out. Sorry if thats not true but thats how you look and that tells us something is wrong. Either diet, workouts, or you have a condition.

Are those calories per day reflective of your norm? 600-1300cal a day? And you are working out on top of it? If those calories are right, you are likely in a catabolic state. You cannot build muscle, rather you are burning it & losing it faster than you can gain it. Also who told you carbs are bad? They arent.

What do you bench? What do you squat? What does cardio look like? What else do you do?

You need to pull bloods bud. Its possible you have some bad conditions. Dont skip lipids because I have a feeling they might be messed up.

 

[Earlybyrdy]

I guess I’ll lean towards a condition. I mean all the stuff you guys are saying isn’t describing me. I can take the appearance talk that’s fine, I look how I look ya know. But I train hard and I eat healthy. I eat some carbs, just not a lot. Only the good ones, no bread. And you’re right about the lipid test, I definitely need to get one. All I have is basic labs but everything is ok on them. I don’t know that’s why I said I’ll just lean towards condition then. I feel great, tons of energy. Reta, just switched to 2ui HGH, 200 test, 100, NPP, 150 mast (started that last week). But yeah I feel great. I know you guys are super jacked and all that. I mean the definition of fat is totally different on this forum, I’ve seen fat people before. If what I have right now is considered “tits”, and “tubesock” arms, yeah there needs to be more muscle but I don’t have fat on my arms. I don’t know man, I’m leaning toward medical condition I guess.

 

[Earlybyrdy]

I guess I’ll lean towards a condition. I mean all the stuff you guys are saying isn’t describing me. I can take the appearance talk that’s fine, I look how I look ya know. But I train hard and I eat healthy. I eat some carbs, just not a lot. Only the good ones, no bread. And you’re right about the lipid test, I definitely need to get one. All I have is basic labs but everything is ok on them. I don’t know that’s why I said I’ll just lean towards condition then. I feel great, tons of energy. Reta, just switched to 2ui HGH, 200 test, 100, NPP, 150 mast (started that last week). But yeah I feel great. I know you guys are super jacked and all that. I mean the definition of fat is totally different on this forum, I’ve seen fat people before. If what I have right now is considered “tits”, and “tubesock” arms, yeah there needs to be more muscle but I don’t have fat on my arms. I don’t know man, I’m leaning toward medical condition I guess. View attachment 372051View attachment 372052

Oh and it said 1734 calories a day. Now it says active from working out is like 600, so you’d add that I guess

 

[Earlybyrdy]

Oh and it said 1734 calories a day. Now it says active from working out is like 600, so you’d add that I guess

I’ll get new labs with lipids sometime soon, those are from September. Dude said “you ate yourself into this” yeah maybe 6 years ago, I’ve been eating healthy and going to the gym for years now. That’s why I said the word “stubborn” to begin with. The belly fat sucks. I think I can recomp pretty good this year. I mean definitely more dailed in than it seems, but i understand your perspective

 

[Elektrobot]

You are delusional dude

Like actual mental illness level delusional

You need help

 

[oldage]

You gotta be kidding me? A drastic change in food- no thank you. Breakfast- double protein shake after the gym with a banana and black berries. Lunch- 5 eggs with ground beef, dinner- protein bowl or whatever lean protein I have on hand. That’s routine shit. Not just once in a while. I’m a robot like that. So sorry I won’t be taking advice about changing what I eat bro. It’s comical at this point

I think you should listen to what he is saying to do. U dont eat healthy. U may eat heathy food. But that is notnthe same thing. I immediately see that your fat intake is super high. Breakdown the macros u eat. How many ounces of ground beef. Look up the protein to fat ratio. Avocados, fat, yes "healthy", but still heavy in calories. Eggs, tons of fat. Even though u aren't eating carbs your energy intake from fats is more than what u burn.

1 gram carbs = 4 kcal
1gram protein = 4kcal
1 gram fat = 9kcal

If u eat more calories than u use in a day u will stay overweight. Im 43. I have a ton of work to do amd hearing what people say amd not being a defensive is hard. But what u are doing is not working. U need to change it up.

U may be working hard in the gym but it doesnt show. So changing how u train may result in changes u want. Do u have a log?progressively overload? Force your body to adapt? Or just go in amd work hard? There is a proven science to this. The advice given above is solid. Nobody suger coats things here because of your feelings. Hate what people say, but dont be defensive, ask questions, and more importantly understand true change takes time.

Food and how u eat is going to be 80% of the results you see from training correctly. There are different ideas on what this is. But the basics are fundamental. U need to find a way to be honest with yourself. U need to hear what is being said. People aren't judginThey are telling u what they see. U are quiet overweight and don't have much muscle. You are the perfect person to see huge changes in the mirror over the next three months.

If ur happy with the way u look that's fine. But its not what others see. Sorry but not. U need to hear it.

Here is my best and simplest advice. Pay for some personal training sessions and get a nutrion coach to teach u about food.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

I’ll get new labs with lipids sometime soon, those are from September. Dude said “you ate yourself into this” yeah maybe 6 years ago, I’ve been eating healthy and going to the gym for years now. That’s why I said the word “stubborn” to begin with. The belly fat sucks. I think I can recomp pretty good this year. I mean definitely more dailed in than it seems, but i understand your perspective

You actually have lipids in those tests already. They call them coronary risk. LDL and HDL look very good. Your Total test also looks like mine when I was at peak so its not like you dont have any. Low side but it should be enough to build.

And if your calories are 1700+ then you should be ok given muscle mass. But something is definitely wrong here or you are trolling us.

What do workouts actually look like? Weight, sets, reps? What does cardio look like?

 

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[BumpassHell]

Steroids aren’t the solution to your problem. Education is the first step. You’ve been given good advice, friend. Do with it what you will.

 

[Earlybyrdy]

You actually have lipids in those tests already. They call them coronary risk. LDL and HDL look very good. Your Total test also looks like mine when I was at peak so its not like you dont have any. Low side but it should be enough to build.

And if your calories are 1700+ then you should be ok given muscle mass. But something is definitely wrong here or you are trolling us.

What do workouts actually look like? Weight, sets, reps? What does cardio look like?

Cardio- 20 min incline treadmill, 11/3.3
Then abs, then another 20 min of the same. Weights- see the pics. I rotate exercises but do 3-4 per day, I didn’t feel like typing it all out. It’s all progressive overload over time though. Usually sets of 10-12. There’s absolutely no trolling going on, I promise you that. One guy said I eat healthy foods but I eat too high of fat and said because of ground beef (93% lean) and eggs? But…..I’m not buying that. As you can see, just about everything anyone has called me out for on here, I can back up. So I honestly don’t know either man. I’m sure I can get my gut to go away, it just doesn’t happen overnight. The Reta and HGH are helping though, I can notice that.

 

[Earlybyrdy]

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So just looking at that I can tell you- you can talk shit about not tracking for 2 weeks because I didn’t feel like logging BUT the rest is completely wrong. I don’t go-yo my friend. I’m consistent. So try again

 

[oldage]

Cardio- 20 min incline treadmill, 11/3.3
Then abs, then another 20 min of the same. Weights- see the pics. I rotate exercises but do 3-4 per day, I didn’t feel like typing it all out. It’s all progressive overload over time though. Usually sets of 10-12. There’s absolutely no trolling going on, I promise you that. One guy said I eat healthy foods but I eat too high of fat and said because of ground beef (93% lean) and eggs? But…..I’m not buying that. As you can see, just about everything anyone has called me out for on here, I can back up. So I honestly don’t know either man. I’m sure I can get my gut to go away, it just doesn’t happen overnight. The Reta and HGH are helping though, I can notice that. View attachment 372113[ATTACH type= "full" size="1206x2622"]372114[/ATTACH]View attachment 372115

Dude. I said count your macros. U think 93% lean ground meat is good? There is 16 to 18 grams of fat in 8oz. Thatsr 33% of your total daily intake of fat for the entire day. Half of a avocado has 14 to 15 grams of fat. There is 5 grams fat in one egg. U really dont have a clue

 

[Earlybyrdy]

Dude. I said count your macros. U think 93% lean ground meat is good? There is 16 to 18 grams of fat in 8oz. Thats a 3rd order 33% of your total daily intake of fat for the entire day. Half am avocado has 14 to 15 grams of fat. There is 5 grams fat in one egg. U really dont have a clue

Typical week:

Carbs- 536g 23%
Fat- 376g 37%
Protein- 932g 40%

That’s called tracking brother

 

[oldage]

And if your doing that many exercises and reps in one gym session..... damn dude..... you are working hard...... for no results. And if u are progressively overloading and training for two years. U shouldn't be on baby weights.

 

[delay3s]

So just looking at that I can tell you- you can talk shit about not tracking for 2 weeks because I didn’t feel like logging BUT the rest is completely wrong. I don’t go-yo my friend. I’m consistent. So try again

Yes you’re consistently not eating in a calorie deficit, that much is obvious. What do you not understand? It doesn’t matter if you only eat 93/7 beef and eggs if you eat in a calorie surplus you WILL gain weight