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A PCT after turinabol-only cycle

G0ld

G0ld

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If I do a 4-6-8 week turinabol-only cycle, is it safe to do a PCT with clomiphene or nolvadex only without using both drugs in combination? I saw mixed opinions; some people say I should use both drugs. Why should I use both drugs if both drugs are essentially the same, with minor differences only? They both do the same thing.
 
You shouldn’t do an oral only cycle to begin with. Spend some time reading around here and you’ll learn a lot and I think your cycle plan will dramatically change
 
G0ld said:
If I do a 4-6-8 week turinabol-only cycle, is it safe to do a PCT with clomiphene or nolvadex only without using both drugs in combination? I saw mixed opinions; some people say I should use both drugs. Why should I use both drugs if both drugs are essentially the same, with minor differences only? They both do the same thing.
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You are so NOT READY to cycle that I sincerely hope nobody spoon feeds you absolutely anything in order to force you to do some further research and learning.

In case anybody missed it, this is the kids other thread:

Are these sources legit?

So, eu.domestic.to is the European brand by Domestic-Supply. I want to know if this source is legit. On their website, I saw some grammar errors, missing symbols, and during a email discussion, they called me "bro", which doesn't sound like something professionals would say. Please, help me! I...
thinksteroids.com thinksteroids.com
 
Avarice911 said:
You shouldn’t do an oral only cycle to begin with. Spend some time reading around here and you’ll learn a lot and I think your cycle plan will dramatically change
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I have some good reasons to do an oral-only cycle as my first cycle. I'm looking for a non-aromatizing steroid cycle.
 
Jin23 said:
You are so NOT READY to cycle that I sincerely hope nobody spoon feeds you absolutely anything in order to force you to do some further research and learning.

In case anybody missed it, this is the kids other thread:

Are these sources legit?

So, eu.domestic.to is the European brand by Domestic-Supply. I want to know if this source is legit. On their website, I saw some grammar errors, missing symbols, and during a email discussion, they called me "bro", which doesn't sound like something professionals would say. Please, help me! I...
thinksteroids.com thinksteroids.com
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I'm already aware of all possible side effects and how steroids work. Finding actually legit source is my problem now.
 
Jin23 said:
Trust me, you are not and no, you don't.
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Actually, I do. If you don't believe me, feel free to test me. Before I made the decision to use steroids, I spent at least 2 years researching and discussing them on various steroid-related forums.
 
G0ld said:
Actually, I do. If you don't believe me, feel free to test me. Before I made the decision to use steroids, I spent at least 2 years researching and discussing them on various steroid-related forums.
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That's nice to hear. However, your basic questions posted in this and your other thread, would seem to indicate otherwise.

What you consider educated and researched is most probably in reality a brief and basic understanding of the topic.

If you want some proper help post your bio, stats reasoning for cycling, goals, etc. and maybe through discourse you'll get a better picture of the ins and outs of cycling and biochemical mechanisms of action of the drugs you intend to use.
 
Jin23 said:
Trust me, you are not and no, you don't.
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I have spent time researching.
bigcheeze said:
Someone who spent 2hrs reading about steroids wouldn't do an oral only cycle then pct lol
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Why? PCT isnmeant to restore hormonal balance. This is done after the cycle.
Jin23 said:
That's nice to hear. However, your basic questions posted in this and your other thread, would seem to indicate otherwise.

What you consider educated and researched is most probably in reality a brief and basic understanding of the topic.

If you want some proper help post your bio, stats reasoning for cycling, goals, etc. and maybe through discourse you'll get a better picture of the ins and outs of cycling and biochemical mechanisms of action of the drugs you intend to use.
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I'm aware of the side effects. For example, I'm totally ok with the possibility of permanent sterility and a need of TRT for life. I also know about hepatoxicity and how to prevent too much damage on the liver.

However, I have zero real-life experience with steroids, which is why I want my first cycle to be easy and simple, done with a steroid that doesn't cause aromatization.

Currently, I don't know if I'm genetically predisposed to gynecomastia or not. That's why I want a non-aromatizing steroid.

My stats:

Age 23.5
Reasoning: Solving body dysmorphia issues
Goals: Anything is welcomed.
 
I6JQdr06 said:
If you know how it works, where are you going to get your estrogen from?
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What do you mean? Turinabol suppresses testosterone, not the estrogen level. If you mean preventing estrogen from becoming too low due to the lack of aromatization (shut down testosterone production), don't worry, I know what I'm doing.
 
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G0ld said:
Age 23.5
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If you have to add the 0.5 on your age, you’re too young for steroids. :)

G0ld said:
Reasoning: Solving body dysmorphia issues
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Have you tried cognitive behavioural therapy for this? Steroids won’t help, trust me on this. I mean, you won’t trust me but you’ll look back in 10 years and realise I was right anyway.

G0ld said:
I have spent time researching.
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Would you consider you know more than anyone about the subject? Are you the most informed, the most experienced person who ever existed?

If you answered “no” to this, maybe consider that the people who know a great deal more than you must have a reason to tell you that you haven’t done enough research?

I’ll spell it out to you here:

If you take turinabol it will surpress you natural testosterone production. If it suppresses it enough, you won’t be able to produce your own esteogen and you’ll suffer the following side effects:
  • Fatigue
  • Anxiety
  • Irritability
  • Depression
  • Forgetfulness
  • Oversleeping or sleeping too often
  • Sexual and erectile dysfunction
  • Water retention
  • Bone loss
  • Fat accumulation
Most important for you presumably is that it will impede your muscle gain.

If your natural testosterone doesn’t get suppressed to a meaningful extent then you won’t need to do a PCT anyway.
 
G0ld said:
What do you mean? Turinabol suppresses testosterone, not the estrogen level. If you mean preventing estrogen from becoming too low due to the lack of aromatization (shut down testosterone production), don't worry, I know what I'm doing.
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This is why people are telling you haven’t done your research. You don’t know that estrogen is made from testosterone.

And if you do indeed know what you are doing, where are you going to get your estrogen from?
 
G0ld said:
I'm already aware of all possible side effects and how steroids work. Finding actually legit source is my problem now.
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You are ? And that's your plan? Sheesh. GLhf. Good lord you should write for the National Accosiation of Bro Science if that's your logic of HPTA and hormones and your consensus is ... well.

Jin23 said:
Trust me, you are not and no, you don't.
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Yeah, what he said.
 
If you are worried about gyno, you should start at a low bodyfat. Gyno also takes time to develope. That is why you do your blood work to have your e2 under control.
If you don’t have the money to do the work, don’t use steroids
 
I6JQdr06 said:
If you have to add the 0.5 on your age, you’re too young for steroids.
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There are many professionals who started at my age, and even earlier.
I6JQdr06 said:
Have you tried cognitive behavioural therapy for this? Steroids won’t help, trust me on this. I mean, you won’t trust me but you’ll look back in 10 years and realise I was right anyway.
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If you mean i will regret the possible permanent disruption of the HPTA (Hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis), don't worry, i'm aware of this side effect.

To put it simply, i'm absolutely fine with literally any side effect except death and mutilative infections that lead to amputations, organ failure, etc... Every other side effect is 100% welcomed, and i will not regret anything.

I really made my own research, learned what side effects i may face, but i still chose steroid use. I'm ready to face anything.
I6JQdr06 said:
Would you consider you know more than anyone about the subject? Are you the most informed, the most experienced person who ever existed?

If you answered “no” to this, maybe consider that the people who know a great deal more than you must have a reason to tell you that you haven’t done enough research?

I’ll spell it out to you here:

If you take turinabol it will surpress you natural testosterone production. If it suppresses it enough, you won’t be able to produce your own esteogen and you’ll suffer the following side effects:
  • Fatigue
  • Anxiety
  • Irritability
  • Depression
  • Forgetfulness
  • Oversleeping or sleeping too often
  • Sexual and erectile dysfunction
  • Water retention
  • Bone loss
  • Fat accumulation
Most important for you presumably is that it will impede your muscle gain.

If your natural testosterone doesn’t get suppressed to a meaningful extent then you won’t need to do a PCT anyway.
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I'm obviously not the most informed person. However, i have read a lot on the subject and know what i'm doing.

Yes, turinabol will suppress estrogen, too, because it suppresses testosterone, meaning there will be nothing to be aromatized into estrogen. So, i guess i will need to take additional drugs during the turinabol cycle?

Here is my main problem: I know how steroid work, generally, and what problems they can cause. What i don't know is how EXACTLY to conduct a steroid cycle and a PCT. For example, i know i need to take tamoxifen or clomiphene for a PCT. However, i don't know the exact value (milligrams) and for how long i need to take it. I also don't know if it will be okay to use only one drug or both drugs in combination. I don't know if the PCT dose depend on the steroid dose and the level of testosterone suppression; higher steroid dose and suppression would mean a higher dose of the PCT drug(s), too?

I know most of the things, but not the small and important details. I need someone to polish my knowledge, so i can do a cycle.

Me doing a cycle is not something i want, but something i need. It's a need, not a want. I don't want to use steroids, but i need to. I want to build a career in the bodybuilding community, and i'm ready to risk my life and die.

Death before poverty!

Additionally, solving body dysmorphia is also on the goal list.

To clarify it, i'm not poor, but i want to be rich, very rich. I know how to do it with steroids, which is exactly why i NEED steroids.
 
So you don’t know what dosage of nolva you should run after two year of research. Hell i can find the dosage under 1 minute.
Also you dont need pct for a light oral like turi. You recover just fine when young
 
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