A PCT after turinabol-only cycle

[Type-IIx]

Gyno can be caused by any disturbance to hormones, not just estrogen

Ah, of course, the next time that my melatonin is affected by seasonality I'll check my nipples for sensitivity.

 

[Titan18]

Gyno can be caused by any disturbance to hormones, not just estrogen

Evidence?

 

[I6JQdr06]

women generally can use it at reasonable doses usually without significant impacts on oestrus or menses, East German throwers that were doped up to their eyeballs notwithstanding.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1990/12/17/scorecard

Women in the GDR used “not more than 1000mg per year”.

I suppose it’s subjective whether you would consider that “doped up to their eyeballs”; generally athletes use far lower doses than bodybuilders, even today. If you were around at the time you’d remember that watching the olympics, the level of virilization on display was very noticeable throughout the GDR national team in many or maybe even most disciplines.

Whether that’s proof or not of oral turinabol’s ability to suppress natural testosterone production, is entirely uncertain (as far as I’m aware there aren’t any studies looking at Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone’s effect on production of luteinizing hormone in the pituitary gland, at least none that didn’t stay in the hands of the Stazi).

Moral of the story: don’t wade in calling everyone else an idiot for having a different opinion to you @Type-IIx. There are other informed people here and you’re not the sole arbiter of truth.

 

[Type-IIx]

https://vault.si.com/vault/1990/12/17/scorecard

Women in the GDR used “not more than 1000mg per year”.

I suppose it’s subjective whether you would consider that “doped up to their eyeballs”; generally athletes use far lower doses than bodybuilders, even today. If you were around at the time you’d remember that watching the olympics, the level of virilization on display was very noticeable throughout the GDR national team in many or maybe even most disciplines.

Whether that’s proof or not of oral turinabol’s ability to suppress natural testosterone production, is entirely uncertain (as far as I’m aware there aren’t any studies looking at Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone’s effect on production of luteinizing hormone in the pituitary gland, at least none that didn’t stay in the hands of the Stazi).

Moral of the story: don’t wade in calling everyone else an idiot for having a different opinion to you @Type-IIx. There are other informed people here and you’re not the sole arbiter of truth.

Your attempt to bicker about a point of opinion and present unreliable data from Sports Illustrated, broadening your attack to characterize the breadth of my posts as analogous op-ed is replete with the hobgoblins of intellectually dishonest & invalid rhetoric and argument (red herrings, ad hominems, appeals to emotions). Meh. Be better.

Reviewing your reply history to me on this forum, it's clear I upset you at some point around your asking if AAS benefited your hobby of rock climbing.

You arise every now and then, seeking to bicker over some minute point, and it's kind of sad.

 

[Type-IIx]

Whether that’s proof or not of oral turinabol’s ability to suppress natural testosterone production, is entirely uncertain (as far as I’m aware there aren’t any studies looking at Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone’s effect on production of luteinizing hormone in the pituitary gland, at least none that didn’t stay in the hands of the Stazi).

Anyway, like I said earlier, dehydrochloromethyltestosterone's gonadotropic effect is readily inferred from existing data. Specifically, from Dorner (1963 & 1965), and Holma & Adlercreutz (1976), we are able to say what I said here:

Everyone on here attacking you looks ignorant.

An OT-only cycle is perfectly OK; athletes have done this since time immemorial. OK, fine, since 1965 or so.

You don't actually need a PCT, and running one will serve only to delay your full recovery, that will be near-instantaneous after OT solo.

Due to the effects of 4-substitution on the activity of OT it exerts very minimal effects on LH & FSH. Though no English-language data directly quantifies the precise decrement to FSH, LH, nor free T, we do know that it has only 20% of the gonadotrophic effect of Dbol (whose effects on LH, FSH at 15 mg daily have been shown to decrease LH & FSH ~50%; therefore it follows that OT only decreases LH & FSH by about ~10% [reflecting a minimal decrement in HPG axis functioning/"HPT axis suppression"] at a dose of 20 mg daily).

If you were interested in these references or how I arrived at this conclusion, why didn't you just ask?

This is not the domain of opinion, and is based on authoritative data, unlike Sports Illustrated columns.

 

[Avarice911]

Evidence?

My own chest having gyno growth while at undetectable levels of estrogen

 

[G0ld]

Gyno can be caused by any disturbance to hormones, not just estrogen

As far as I know, gyno can only be caused by hormonal changes that influence fatty tissue accumulation and growth on mammary glands. No other types of hormonal changes can cause gyno.

Turinabol doesn't convert to estrogen, so I don't see how it can cause gynecomastia, even if it causes suppression of testosterone. Mammary glands inflation is caused by elevated estrogen levels, not lowered testosterone levels. Even if testosterone is significantly lowered, gynecomastia wouldn't occur if estrogen levels aren't increased.

 

[G0ld]

My own chest having gyno growth while at undetectable levels of estrogen

What exactly caused your gyno? If testosterone is suppressed too much, there won't be enough of it to aromatize into estrogen, a hormone your body needs. A lack of proper estrogen levels can cause hormonal imbalance in men, too.

Is your gyno due to mammary glands growth or fat tissue accumulation? What cycle did you use when you got the gyno?

 

[I6JQdr06]

Is your gyno due to mammary glands growth or fat tissue accumulation

I thought you know everything you need to know, and we shouldn’t worry

 

[I6JQdr06]

You arise every now and then, seeking to bicker over some minute point, and it's kind of sad.

More like I arise every now and then to slap you down. Because rather than the than the sole powerhouse of knowledge you present yourself as, you’re actually a semi-informed bro with an intellectual superiority complex.

Other members might not notice that despite the big words and the great deal of time you devote to your research, you’re very often wrong.

 

[Type-IIx]

More like I arise every now and then to slap you down. Because rather than the than the sole powerhouse of knowledge you present yourself as, you’re actually a semi-informed bro with an intellectual superiority complex.

Other members might not notice that despite the big words and the great deal of time you devote to your research, you’re very often wrong.

I think you've got me wrong; I don't present myself as any such thing. You're welcome to argue with me about any research data. Why don't you stick to that rather than personal attacks, since it's apparently replete with errors?

 

[bigboy420]

Yea, cycle looks trash to me. But what do i know im new.

 

[Disarmer]

Everyone on here attacking you looks ignorant.

The context you're missing was the "fuck you, I know everything" arrogance of his immediate post prior to this one that contained an exact opposite plan as what is outlined here

 

[Type-IIx]

The context you're missing was the "fuck you, I know everything" arrogance of his immediate post prior to this one that contained an exact opposite plan as what is outlined here

Yeah I absolutely didn't read through this thread deeply, just responded to the basic criticism of his oral only cycle.

Listen, OP, arrogance is earned one fucking injection at a time. Stop dryhumping AAS, get some hair on your chest, and stop pussyfooting around with bitch drugs.

Ahhhh, that felt good. I see why people like this; instant dopamine hit.

 

[Disarmer]

Listen, OP, arrogance is earned one fucking injection at a time. Stop dryhumping AAS, get some hair on your chest, and stop pussyfooting around with bitch drugs.

Ahhhh, that felt good. I see why people like this; instant dopamine hit.

LOL I'm dying, this made my night

I swear I'm not a dick but I do like to stir the pot when the pot deserves a stir. I think that probably makes me an asshole but definitely not a dick

 

[Ateam2023]

2 years of research and this is where you’re at? You must be a slow learner

lol