A PCT after turinabol-only cycle

[Type-IIx]

Everyone on here attacking you looks ignorant.

An OT-only cycle is perfectly OK; athletes have done this since time immemorial. OK, fine, since 1965 or so.

You don't actually need a PCT, and running one will serve only to delay your full recovery, that will be near-instantaneous after OT solo.

Due to the effects of 4-substitution on the activity of OT it exerts very minimal effects on LH & FSH. Though no English-language data directly quantifies the precise decrement to FSH, LH, nor free T, we do know that it has only 20% of the gonadotrophic effect of Dbol (whose effects on LH, FSH at 15 mg daily have been shown to decrease LH & FSH ~50%; therefore it follows that OT only decreases LH & FSH by about ~10% [reflecting a minimal decrement in HPG axis functioning/"HPT axis suppression"] at a dose of 20 mg daily).

 

[G0ld]

So you don’t know what dosage of nolva you should run after two year of research. Hell i can find the dosage under 1 minute.
Also you dont need pct for a light oral like turi. You recover just fine when young

I have information about PCT doses, but i'm not sure if the PCT dose is always the same after any cycle. Cycles of different steroids would require different PCT doses?

As far as i know, 100 mg a day (clomiphene) is the recommended dose after a 8-week Deca+Turinabol cycle.

I have information about specific doses about specific cycles and PCTs, but i don't know if these doses are universal and apply for all PCTs.

For example, what should be the PCT dose after a turinabol-only cycle that lasts for 4, 6, or 8 weeks?

I said earlier i want my first cycle to be easy and simple, done with steroids that don't cause aromatization. This is why i prefer turinabol for my first cycle.

As for the testosterone recovery, i'm not sure it can happen by itself, even if i'm young, if i don' use a PCT.

 

[mochul]

I have information about PCT doses, but i'm not sure if the PCT dose is always the same after any cycle. Cycles of different steroids would require different PCT doses?

As far as i know, 100 mg a day (clomiphene) is the recommended dose after a 8-week Deca+Turinabol cycle.

I have information about specific doses about specific cycles and PCTs, but i don't know if these doses are universal and apply for all PCTs.

For example, what should be the PCT dose after a turinabol-only cycle that lasts for 4, 6, or 8 weeks?

I said earlier i want my first cycle to be easy and simple, done with steroids that don't cause aromatization. This is why i prefer turinabol for my first cycle.

As for the testosterone recovery, i'm not sure it can happen by itself, even if i'm young, if i don' use a PCT.

As already mentioned. Turi does not shut you down completely. You can recover just fine without pct.
As for deca you have ro wait a long time for the ester to clear out. Then you can run a pct. Higher dosages are more often used for someone who has been cycling for a ling time or has used very high dosages. 20mg of nolva or 50mg of clomid should be fine for a test e cycle. Ai are not just candies to pop up. They also have their negative side effects. You should always use the minimal dosage.

 

[Type-IIx]

As already mentioned. Turi does not shut you down completely. You can recover just fine without pct.
As for deca you have ro wait a long time for the ester to clear out. Then you can run a pct. Higher dosages are more often used for someone who has been cycling for a ling time or has used very high dosages. 20mg of nolva or 50mg of clomid should be fine for a test e cycle. Ai are not just candies to pop up. They also have their negative side effects. You should always use the minimal dosage.

I basically agree with this, but would argue that exemestane (enhancement of BMD/BMC, no effect on IGF-I, well-tolerated generally) is superior to tamoxifen (reduction of BMD/BMC) & clomiphene (reduced IGF-I & poorly tolerated). There's generally an environment of AI-phobia in 2023 that is not based on reality. They can be a bit more harsh on lipids/CVD risk, but less so than the 125+ mg/w testosterone people advocate cruising at.

I would also add that testosterone is more suppressive than nandrolone.

 

[Avarice911]

Everyone on here attacking you looks ignorant.

An OT-only cycle is perfectly OK; athletes have done this since time immemorial. OK, fine, since 1965 or so.

You don't actually need a PCT, and running one will serve only to delay your full recovery, that will be near-instantaneous after OT solo.

Due to the effects of 4-substitution on the activity of OT it exerts very minimal effects on LH & FSH. Though no English-language data directly quantifies the precise decrement to FSH, LH, nor free T, we do know that it has only 20% of the gonadotrophic effect of Dbol (whose effects on LH, FSH at 15 mg daily have been shown to decrease LH & FSH ~50%; therefore it follows that OT only decreases LH & FSH by about ~10% [reflecting a minimal decrement in HPG axis functioning/"HPT axis suppression"] at a dose of 20 mg daily).

Idc what the science is on this one. Don’t give this kid fuel to the fire for him to jump into something with minimal to no knowledge regarding the subject. Self proclaimed body dysmorphia issues in an otherwise healthy person isn’t a good reason to be reckless

 

[Type-IIx]

Idc what the science is on this one. Don’t give this kid fuel to the fire for him to jump into something with minimal to no knowledge regarding the subject. Self proclaimed body dysmorphia issues in an otherwise healthy person isn’t a good reason to be reckless

Yeah, well the 500 mg/w testosterone first cycle is based merely on basic stupidity and machismo, and I say this having done it as my first.

Every competitive bodybuilder has body dysmorphia, I wasn't aware that affected basic human physiology and pharmacy.

You don't need to PCT from OT; women generally can use it at reasonable doses usually without significant impacts on oestrus or menses, East German throwers that were doped up to their eyeballs notwithstanding.

 

[AlexDavis43]

If you have to add the 0.5 on your age, you’re too young for steroids.

That made me laugh.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

We've used only oral cycles for years during the prohormone era but many have severe lipid and liver problems due to the 17 a. Test is a better option than any oral but I grew up during the time and have run oral only cycles... this was when they were available otc. We had no idea they were steroids... the internet was just starting..it's funny how I'm on trt due to low test now though......

 

[RiceNKimchi]

If you look over the past years.... epistane was considered sermlike so used in pct... it's an active steroid. Osteraine was also more recently used similarly and that went to shit too. Times change and we get smarter.

Nothing on Turinabol specifically but I believe there to be better options

 

[G0ld]

As already mentioned. Turi does not shut you down completely. You can recover just fine without pct.
As for deca you have ro wait a long time for the ester to clear out. Then you can run a pct. Higher dosages are more often used for someone who has been cycling for a ling time or has used very high dosages. 20mg of nolva or 50mg of clomid should be fine for a test e cycle. Ai are not just candies to pop up. They also have their negative side effects. You should always use the minimal dosage.

So, am I going to experience low testosterone symptoms during and after the cycle?

Anyways, gynecomastia won't happen, since turinabol doesn't convert to estrogen, right? Gynecomastia is caused by elevated estrogen level, not lowered testosterone level.

 

[mochul]

So, am I going to experience low testosterone symptoms during and after the cycle?

Anyways, gynecomastia won't happen, since turinabol doesn't convert to estrogen, right? Gynecomastia is caused by elevated estrogen level, not lowered testosterone level.

Yes you are going to feel suppressed for a week or two. Depends on your body nobody can give you an exact estimate when you recover.
No gyno on turi. Just do your cycle and take some liver support and you will be fine. The gains wouldn’t be that huge though

 

[Avarice911]

So, am I going to experience low testosterone symptoms during and after the cycle?

Anyways, gynecomastia won't happen, since turinabol doesn't convert to estrogen, right? Gynecomastia is caused by elevated estrogen level, not lowered testosterone level.

There’s a lot more that goes into gyno than just high estrogen. It certainly CAN cause gyno. Unlikely but still possible

 

[G0ld]

There’s a lot more that goes into gyno than just high estrogen. It certainly CAN cause gyno. Unlikely but still possible

In what circumstances will turinabol-only cycle cause gynecomastia, if it doesn't aromatize into estrogen?

 

[Titan18]

Turinabol is mild enough, I don't see an issue testing the waters of AAS with it. I imagine you will be somewhat disappointed with the results and will be looking for something new soon after your cycle is done.

 

[mochul]

In what circumstances will turinabol-only cycle cause gynecomastia, if it doesn't aromatize into estrogen?

Your testosterone will get suppressed but e2 not so much. Dht to estrogen ratio decreases which can cause gyno but it is extremely unlikely. Your turi could also be faked with dbol which converts to a potent e2 but if you buy from a reputable source this is also unlikely.

 

[G0ld]

Your testosterone will get suppressed but e2 not so much. Dht to estrogen ratio decreases which can cause gyno but it is extremely unlikely. Your turi could also be faked with dbol which converts to a potent e2 but if you buy from a reputable source this is also unlikely.

What is e2?

Yes, the testosterone-to-esteogen ration will decrease, but this can't cause gynecomastia as far as I know. Gynecomastia is caused by elevated estrogen levels, not decreased testosterone levels. Even if testosterone is lowered significantly, gynecomastia shouldn't appear if estrogen isn't increased, right?

As for the reputable sources, is Donestic-Supply reputable? They have European shop called eu.domesric.to

What do you think about them? If they are no reputable, feel free to recommend a source that can reach Bulgaria.

 

[I6JQdr06]

What is e2?

i thought we didn’t have to worry because you knew what you were doing?

 

[Type-IIx]

In what circumstances will turinabol-only cycle cause gynecomastia, if it doesn't aromatize into estrogen?

It cannot cause gynecomastia. People like to talk out of their holes and start sounding ridiculous when attacking people that don't do what is customary, like run a testosterone cycle as their first.

 

[Type-IIx]

Turinabol is mild enough, I don't see an issue testing the waters of AAS with it. I imagine you will be somewhat disappointed with the results and will be looking for something new soon after your cycle is done.

Thank you for posting a perfectly rational thought on this dumpster fire of a thread.

 

[Avarice911]

In what circumstances will turinabol-only cycle cause gynecomastia, if it doesn't aromatize into estrogen?

Gyno can be caused by any disturbance to hormones, not just estrogen