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I think that was a misprint in Mentzer book lol
Look mentzer means alot to me. I know his theories well. Some of his stuff Is hard to swallow. He has theories about not training till every 72 hours otherwise its overtraining. We know this isnt true

I believe he said he cut on toast, coffee and 60g protein a day in preparation for Mr.O. I think he's over board on alot of his scientific "data". He was cutting edge for his time with heavy duty and all. But ya I dont buy his 1g protein per 2lb body mass either.

But hey cant prove it right? Thats this whole thing. Can't prove or disprove shit
 
Yup, this is absolutely true.

Protein itself will not convert or stored as fat but if you are in a caloric surplus it will just cause whatever dietary fats you eat to get stored as fat, so while it is true that protein won't turn to fat it is erroneous to assume a caloric surplus regardless of macro breakdown will not lead to fat gain either.

Carbs do not get stored as fat either.


carbs and fat get stored as fat. your answer still went back to carbs or fat.
 
Look mentzer means alot to me. I know his theories well. Some of his stuff Is hard to swallow. He has theories about not training till every 72 hours otherwise its overtraining. We know this isnt true

I believe he said he cut on toast, coffee and 60g protein a day in preparation for Mr.O. I think he's over board on alot of his scientific "data". He was cutting edge for his time with heavy duty and all. But ya I dont buy his 1g protein per 2lb body mass either.

But hey cant prove it right? Thats this whole thing. Can't prove or disprove shit



true, you can't say I'm wrong until you try 2g protein per pound of body weight ;)
 
carbs and fat get stored as fat. your answer still went back to carbs or fat.

Carbs will not get stored as fat. Dietary fat will get stored as fat, but carbs and protein will not get converted to fat with the exception of some pretty extreme scenarios.

A surplus, regardless of what it is comprised of, will contribute to fat gain. If your maintenance is 2500 and you decide to bulk on 3000, whether you add those 500 calories from protein, carbs, or whatever, will not make a difference. Fat gain will be the same.
 
Sunday 3/9/15
ARMS

I think today was the most volume I ever put on my arms
16 sets tri
12 sets bi

Close grip bench
pushdowns
reverse pulldowns (one handed)

Ez bar preacher curls
machine curls
cable low concentration curls *
THIS IS NEW ADDITION*

Im officially 18.5" :)
Mass is there but still not satisfied. I added concentration curls because I feel I lack peak. It would be a nice addition to the mass.

Im starting to feel like my arms are legit. Im no longer in the string bean club. There quickly becoming an asset.

Forearms are crazy pumped and full all day long now. Veins sprouting up. Looks sweet. Looks like training them twice per week was a good move. Apply twice the volume their used too. Looks like 19" snakes aren't but a few weeks away. And you know I measure them cold
 
Reverse grip is easier for you?

Damn never heard that one before. What? You got praying mantis arms or some thing. Thats a goofy ass exercise
 
Already did eggs n ham...

Shake post workout

Just put down pork chop, 2yams, asparagus and milk...

Other than that im just sitting here. Hanging with the kids n wife. Trying my best to stay outta trouble which seems like I found recently...
 
Prepped meat loaf today

That oughta change things up for a week.
4 lb hamburger, 3 green peppers, 1 yellow onion, bread crumbs and a couple eggs. Enough to fill 2 loaf pans.

Also I used 3 more green peppers and stuffed them to the brim with the left over meat that wouldn't fit in the pan. Topped with mozzarella cheese. BAM

Pics when finished
 
Carbs will not get stored as fat. Dietary fat will get stored as fat, but carbs and protein will not get converted to fat with the exception of some pretty extreme scenarios.

A surplus, regardless of what it is comprised of, will contribute to fat gain. If your maintenance is 2500 and you decide to bulk on 3000, whether you add those 500 calories from protein, carbs, or whatever, will not make a difference. Fat gain will be the same.



well that is wrong. excess carbs get stored as fat. if you are taking in both fat and carbs the fat gets store and than the carbs get stored. your body will always use the easiest thing for energy first. carbs if you are in excess and muscle if you are in deficits. the only storage for protein is in your muscles. Ketosis diets work because your not consuming carbs. protein and fat will not make you fat. the opposite happens. you gain muscle and lose fat. if you added 500 calories from protein you will not gain fat. gaining fat is determine by your diet ( carbs and fat )and what you are making body think is happening. if your body goes into starvation mode you better know how to counter that or you'll be losing muscle and storing a ton of fat. I don't think anyone here has added 500 calories to their diet that was only protein to really know what happens. most people here love their carbs, cause they think they need all this energy to grow muscle. when protein is the only thing that builds any muscle, so if your getting fat check your carbs and leave your protein alone.
 
well that is wrong. excess carbs get stored as fat.

Carbs do not get stored as fat. Period. Suggesting otherwise is incorrect.

De novo lipogensis, the conversion of carbs to fat, is very rare in humans and generally only happens under some very unlikely circumstances. An example would be if you ate 1000g of carbs everyday for several days.

Nobody is eating that much carbs so it's not even worth worrying about. So while the enzymatic pathway for carbs to get stored as fat does exist in humans, it is not the norm. It's extremely rare.

Carbs and protein can still contribute to fat gain in a surplus. They won't get directly stored as fat, but there are other mechanisms in which they can contribute to fat gain.

if you are taking in both fat and carbs the fat gets store and than the carbs get stored.

I stated earlier that a surplus, regardless of what it is comprised of, will contribute to fat gain.

It doesn't matter if it's carbs.

It doesn't matter if it's protein.

It doesn't matter if it's fat.

Fat gain will be the same, however, carbs do not get 'stored' as fat. They can contribute to fat gain in a surplus, but this holds true for ANY MACRO. Even Protein.

If you are in a surplus fat gain will be the same regardless of where the excess macros come from, even for both protein and carbs. Protein and carbs in a surplus can contribute to fat gain but they don't get directly stored as fat.

protein and fat will not make you fat. the opposite happens. you gain muscle and lose fat.

This just comes down to the amount of calories consumed. You will lose fat in a deficit regardless. Keto diets don't necessarily lead to more fat loss, its just a different dieting technique.

It all comes down to the deficit, the size of the deficit, and the ability of the dieter to consistently meet the calorie goal. Individual foods and even macros aren't going to dramatically affect the rate of fat loss. There are no macro ratios that will directly burn more fat than others.

if you added 500 calories from protein you will not gain fat.

If you are in a surplus of calories, you will gain fat. It doesn't matter if the surplus comes from protein, carbs, or fat. Fat gain will be the same.

A 500 calorie surplus of protein can contribute to fat gain. Same with carbs. It doesn't get DIRECTLY stored as fat, but it can contribute to fat gain through other mechanisms.

Just because they don't get stored as fat doesn't mean they can't contribute to overall fat gain. Both protein and carbs can do this.

A surplus made up of carbs can contribute to fat gain by inhibiting the oxidization of fat because your body is spending more time / effort oxidizing carbs, therefore the rate of oxidizing fat goes down. Carbs do not get directly stored, but it will still contribute to fat gain in an indirect way.

A surplus made up of protein can also contribute to fat gain because your body will burn excess protein for energy and the rate of fat oxidized will be reduced, causing fat to be stored. Protein doesn't get directly stored as fat, but it still contributes to fat gain.

Neither macro is 'better' than the other when it comes to minimizing fat gain in a surplus.

I don't think anyone here has added 500 calories to their diet that was only protein to really know what happens. most people here love their carbs, cause they think they need all this energy to grow muscle.

Energy and performance in the gym is hugely important for many here, this is true. Personally, I wouldn't lift weights on a low carb diet even if you paid me.
 
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you can keep your high carb diet and I'll keep my protein and fats ;) nothing you say will change my mind on this. energy not used is turned to fat. what is energy? carbs and fat! protein is the building blocks! I'm not against learning something new. what you are trying to tell me is wrong. that is why my mind will not change to your train of thought.
 
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