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Kroms_laugh
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earthdog said:
Kansas University Medical in Kansas City, Kansas is awesome. If this guy doesn't put me on TRT, I'm going to them. If this guy DOES, I'm afriad he'll try to use outdated protocol. He's an oldtimer and very stubborn in his practice, so I don't think he'll budge on using old protocol.
Matt Muscle
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Wow.. what a dam pity huh.. your testes are capable of working fine and so is your pituitary it would seem with a bit of prodding from the clomid!! However something is just not telling it to do what it should... Its a pity you cant just stay on the clomid and have natural production... But I guess long term implications are not known?Kroms_laugh said:
I wonder if there are any other forms of treatment that will encourage the hypothlamus and pituitary to kickstart again... I have heard storys of Growth hormone stimulating the HPTA....
In your case and at your age I would be trying everything before undertaking lifelong TRT. talk soon kroms on AIM.
Matt.
Kroms_laugh
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Matt Muscle said:Its a pity you cant just stay on the clomid and have natural production... But I guess long term implications are not known?
I wonder if there are any other forms of treatment that will encourage the hypothlamus and pituitary to kickstart again... I have heard storys of Growth hormone stimulating the HPTA....
In your case and at your age I would be trying everything before undertaking lifelong TRT. talk soon kroms on AIM.
Matt.
I would be trying other things, but as you said, long term effects are unknown. I don't want to risk any health problems. The only thing that is tried and true, is, Testosterone. And I don't have any problems with being on TRT, it's no inconenience to me.
Kroms_laugh
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Kroms_laugh said:I TOLD HIM, Swale and he didn't believe me... so he took another blood work test and here are the results (blood drawn on the 8th) that CONFIRM everything I was saying:
Testosterone: 315 (400-1080)
LH: 2.7 (1.5-9.3)
FSH: 1.3 (1.4-18.1)
My padawan master has taught me well.
Bump for SWALE.
JoeyNess
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im 18 years old and funny same thing happend to me
the doctor read my history and said my undescended testicle wouldn't cause low testosterone because the other testicle will compensate for it
she said its because of my depression
(i was daignosed with manic depression at age 13)
she wrote down a script and told me to get my blood checked
and she strictly said she wont check my testosterone levels
so she wrote down the script to check my liver values, creatinine and ATP
two weeks later i go back to the same doctor with my MOM
she mentions my blood work came back normal
so my mom asks her why i cant have my testosterone checked out
doctor tells my mom its because of my depression thats causing me to think i have low testosterone and that my right testicle will compensate for the undescened lefty
the doctor is then really strict refuses my request for testosterone checkup
then mention that i look physicaly masculine and that people under 30 have high/normal testosterone levels
i thought i was the only person that the doctor banned from having testosterone levels checked
im still mad the doctor refused to check my blood testosterone
MALE
2 scoops and you dont need HRT
1 scoop and i got refused for testosterone Bloodwork
0 scoops you are elegible for HRT
scoops=nuts
the doctor read my history and said my undescended testicle wouldn't cause low testosterone because the other testicle will compensate for it
she said its because of my depression
(i was daignosed with manic depression at age 13)
she wrote down a script and told me to get my blood checked
and she strictly said she wont check my testosterone levels
so she wrote down the script to check my liver values, creatinine and ATP
two weeks later i go back to the same doctor with my MOM
she mentions my blood work came back normal
so my mom asks her why i cant have my testosterone checked out
doctor tells my mom its because of my depression thats causing me to think i have low testosterone and that my right testicle will compensate for the undescened lefty
the doctor is then really strict refuses my request for testosterone checkup
then mention that i look physicaly masculine and that people under 30 have high/normal testosterone levels
i thought i was the only person that the doctor banned from having testosterone levels checked
im still mad the doctor refused to check my blood testosterone
MALE
2 scoops and you dont need HRT
1 scoop and i got refused for testosterone Bloodwork
0 scoops you are elegible for HRT
scoops=nuts
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i got 1 nut.......... they seen my lvls and still refused it...... just fight with the doc piss him off for the trouble of going there...... then see another doc till u find one that will help u..... that's what i did atleast...........the pissing him off part is fun too............
Kroms_laugh
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Sounds like you need a new Doc, bro.
Sounds like you need a new Doc, bro.
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Kroms_laugh
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BigRagu said:
Hmmmm.. maybe I read that wrong.
/checking Testosterone Syndrome again/
EDIT: LOL.... correction... I AM wrong and I DID read that wrong. Whoops.
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To find a new Dr.
Finding a trustworthy competent male hormone doctor is probably the most important step toward treating hypogonadism. Do take the time and effort to find a good one. You will not be saving time by merely going with someone your doc refers, unless you qualify him/her as being competent and experienced. Many group members have spent years with bad treatment, and finding a doc is probably the single biggest reason people come to this group.
IMO you want a doc who treats male hormone issues as a regular part of his/her practice. Your doc will probably suggest an endocrinologist or urologist, but many dont know male hormone therapy, or are even philosophically opposed to it. I suggest you research & find a specialist yourself. Here are some tips:
For compiling a list of "SUSPECTS" near you, try:
Back trace docs from pharmacies that sell them male hormone products:
College Pharmacy (Colorado Springs, CO)
http://www.collegepharmacy.com/
click "Find a Health Care Provider". There's a form to fill out. Submit the form & they'll e-mail a list of docs nearest you. In the I would like to find a provider who specializes in: I suggest choosing Pellet Implants; you might not want them but those docs know most other therapies too.
Bartor Pharmical (Rye NY) They manufacture testosterone pellets (docs who do pellets also know most other therapies). Call 914-967-4219 and ask if they can recommend three docs near you.
Womens International Pharmacy (Madison, Wisconsin
http://www.womensinternational.com/doctor.html
Kronos Compounding Pharmacy (Las Vegas, NV) has a list of docs:
http://www.kronospharmacy.com/Context/Pharm/contact_physician.aspx
ApothCure (Dallas, TX)
http://www.apothecure.com/dyn/referralrequestform.html
DOCTOR SEARCH. NOTE: THERE MAY BE PLENTY OF OLD SCHOOL OR OTHERWISE INCOMPETENT DOCS ON THESE LISTS. SCREENING PRIOR TO THE FIRST APPOINTMENT IS STILL ESSENTIAL.
Docs who have shown an interest in treating male hypogonadism can be found at:
http://www.tuneupyourt.com/find_a_doctor.html
Life Extension Foundation, List of Innovative Doctors:
http://www.lef.org/doctors/directoryofdoctors03.html
American College for Advancement in Medicine (ACAM). Look for docs with HRT listed in their practice codes.
http://www.acam.org/dr_search/index.php
Theres an AACE docs search page at:
http://www.aace.com/memsearch.php
In theory they would use the AACE Hypogonadisn Guidelines,
but are still too old school.Confirm they treat hypogonadism prior to a visit.
To pre-qualify and select the right doc, call him or his staff and ask: how many men he/she treats for hypogonadism, if he/she offers hCG therapy in addition to TRT, if he/she uses Arimidex to keep E2 down, and checks for Primary or Secondary Hypogonadism.
You have time to ask the doc some pre-screening questions (probably through his/her staff). Like: What does he think about the AACE hypogonadism guidelines? (American Association Of Clinical Endocrinologists Medical Guidelines For Clinical Practice For The Evaluation And Treatment Of Hypogonadism
In Adult Male Patients2002 Update, available in the Files section here. How many hypogonadism patients does he treat? Does he ever use hCG treatment? Does he regularly test for estrogens, specifically estradiol? Does he ever prescribed anything to keep estradiol down? Does he use a stimulation test to determine hypogonandism is primary or secondary? Does he ever use hormone pellet implants?
Did your doc mention that TRT like Androgel can make you sterile? I'm assuming your marriage plans might include having children. If so, a different treatment than testosterone supplementation would be needed. It would involve taking a hormone that stimulates the body's ability to make testosterone.
IMO, a complete range of initial tests should be done, way above and beyond the total testosterone levels you had tested. An hCG stimulation test (or similar) should be done to see if your body can respond to stimulation.
Finding a trustworthy competent male hormone doctor is probably the most important step toward treating hypogonadism. Do take the time and effort to find a good one. You will not be saving time by merely going with someone your doc refers, unless you qualify him/her as being competent and experienced. Many group members have spent years with bad treatment, and finding a doc is probably the single biggest reason people come to this group.
IMO you want a doc who treats male hormone issues as a regular part of his/her practice. Your doc will probably suggest an endocrinologist or urologist, but many dont know male hormone therapy, or are even philosophically opposed to it. I suggest you research & find a specialist yourself. Here are some tips:
For compiling a list of "SUSPECTS" near you, try:
Back trace docs from pharmacies that sell them male hormone products:
College Pharmacy (Colorado Springs, CO)
http://www.collegepharmacy.com/
click "Find a Health Care Provider". There's a form to fill out. Submit the form & they'll e-mail a list of docs nearest you. In the I would like to find a provider who specializes in: I suggest choosing Pellet Implants; you might not want them but those docs know most other therapies too.
Bartor Pharmical (Rye NY) They manufacture testosterone pellets (docs who do pellets also know most other therapies). Call 914-967-4219 and ask if they can recommend three docs near you.
Womens International Pharmacy (Madison, Wisconsin
http://www.womensinternational.com/doctor.html
Kronos Compounding Pharmacy (Las Vegas, NV) has a list of docs:
http://www.kronospharmacy.com/Context/Pharm/contact_physician.aspx
ApothCure (Dallas, TX)
http://www.apothecure.com/dyn/referralrequestform.html
DOCTOR SEARCH. NOTE: THERE MAY BE PLENTY OF OLD SCHOOL OR OTHERWISE INCOMPETENT DOCS ON THESE LISTS. SCREENING PRIOR TO THE FIRST APPOINTMENT IS STILL ESSENTIAL.
Docs who have shown an interest in treating male hypogonadism can be found at:
http://www.tuneupyourt.com/find_a_doctor.html
Life Extension Foundation, List of Innovative Doctors:
http://www.lef.org/doctors/directoryofdoctors03.html
American College for Advancement in Medicine (ACAM). Look for docs with HRT listed in their practice codes.
http://www.acam.org/dr_search/index.php
Theres an AACE docs search page at:
http://www.aace.com/memsearch.php
In theory they would use the AACE Hypogonadisn Guidelines,
but are still too old school.Confirm they treat hypogonadism prior to a visit.
To pre-qualify and select the right doc, call him or his staff and ask: how many men he/she treats for hypogonadism, if he/she offers hCG therapy in addition to TRT, if he/she uses Arimidex to keep E2 down, and checks for Primary or Secondary Hypogonadism.
You have time to ask the doc some pre-screening questions (probably through his/her staff). Like: What does he think about the AACE hypogonadism guidelines? (American Association Of Clinical Endocrinologists Medical Guidelines For Clinical Practice For The Evaluation And Treatment Of Hypogonadism
In Adult Male Patients2002 Update, available in the Files section here. How many hypogonadism patients does he treat? Does he ever use hCG treatment? Does he regularly test for estrogens, specifically estradiol? Does he ever prescribed anything to keep estradiol down? Does he use a stimulation test to determine hypogonandism is primary or secondary? Does he ever use hormone pellet implants?
Did your doc mention that TRT like Androgel can make you sterile? I'm assuming your marriage plans might include having children. If so, a different treatment than testosterone supplementation would be needed. It would involve taking a hormone that stimulates the body's ability to make testosterone.
IMO, a complete range of initial tests should be done, way above and beyond the total testosterone levels you had tested. An hCG stimulation test (or similar) should be done to see if your body can respond to stimulation.
Kroms_laugh
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pmgamer18 said:
Thanks for your opinions. I have had my sperm frozen for future use.
pmgamer18 said:
Pmgamer18, that is a great post. A lot of guys come on here basically trying to find a doc who will treat them. Your post would make a great sticky IMHO. To your list I would also add, probably at the top, http://www.worldhealth.net/, which is the organization that Swale lectures at.
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Did your doc mention that TRT like Androgel can make you sterile? I'm assuming your marriage plans might include having children. If so, a different treatment than testosterone supplementation would be needed. It would involve taking a hormone that stimulates the body's ability to make testosterone.
i thought if hrt was done correctly u wouldn't become sterile?
i thought if hrt was done correctly u wouldn't become sterile?
Kroms_laugh
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BigRagu said:
I don't see how. Testosterone is used in Europe as a form of contraceptive. I will find and post a study showing that more than 80% of men have had their LH and FSH rebound after years of testosterone protocol.
Kroms_laugh
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pmgamer18 said:
May I suggest making your own thread, one without vulgarity after vulgarity. It'd better reflect YOUR character, rather than my lack thereof.
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