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AAS, good or bad for tendon repair?

With respect to PRP injections a follow up of THREE MONTHS is fully INADEQUATE for a CHRONIC CONDITION that is often the result of compartmental or extrinsic
compression, lasts for YEARS, and is characterized by frequent remissions and exacerbations.

Are they worth a go for those with non-surgical conditions, IME yep but don't expect a "cure" by any means.
 
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Dr JIM said:
With respect to PRP injections a follow up of THREE MONTHS is fully INADEQUATE for a CHRONIC CONDITION that is often the result of compartmental or extrinsic
compression, lasts for YEARS, and is characterized by frequent remissions and exacerbations.

Are they worth a go for those with non-surgical conditions, IME yep but don't expect a "cure" by any means.
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I've had PRP injections, with HGH in the syringes as well, on 4 separate occasions this year. Multiples shots each time - 3 to 4 shots per arm, and most recently 3 shots in my right knee.

Results?

Left arm is fine, right arm is nearly so.
My right knee (also tendonitis) is now feeling good, the external numbness and internal burning sensations are gone.

Not all respond as well to PRP.

Note: there are medical studies showing high efficacy in healing from PRP injections combined with HGH injections. (The study I've seen showed pain reduction over an 18 month period versus baseline and versus corticosteroids - the latter were of course nearly useless.)
 
youngBuilder said:
Had a partial tendon tear (70%) repaired with minor surgery few weeks ago. Was curious if AAS would actually offer any positive or negative impact with speed of recovery/healing of tendons. Anyone know? I've seen contradictory posts..
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No aas will effectively help in the tendon healing process....they may actually do you more harm due to the increases in muscle strength stressing the connective tissue which does not strengthen as quickly.
However there are some studies that indicate growth hormone will promote connective tissue repair and growth.
I looked into it when i injured my ucl....couldnt afford it but i found enough evidence for it working that i would have tried it if i had the extra $ then.
 
Throwback said:
No aas will effectively help in the tendon healing process....they may actually do you more harm due to the increases in muscle strength stressing the connective tissue which does not strengthen as quickly.
However there are some studies that indicate growth hormone will promote connective tissue repair and growth.
I looked into it when i injured my ucl....couldnt afford it but i found enough evidence for it working that i would have tried it if i had the extra $ then.
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Exactly. Steroids (deca especially) will just mask your injury while putting greater strain on your tendons. It's like taking a fentanyl and considering yourself cured.
 
Dr JIM said:
Then you might want to become more familiar with the EVIDENCE as is this surgeon.

That is of course, unless you aimlessly choose to believe an anecdote of one, or the collective few, is of greater statistical significance than the multitudes of studies that have investigated this very issue.
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I was being sarcastic. I do not intend to use GH or convince myself to do so.
 
I am older, 50 ugh! and I can tell you from my own experience what has helped me. HGH, primo, deca, anavar! Run all together or in any combination using hgh and always test as a base.
One needs to add the proper healing nutrients such as joint supplements at 3x the dose.
Proper nutrition and rest is vital. I go through a few weeks of aching worse as the compounds attack the joints and tendons, deca seems to lessen this side effect. Remember to always train smart. Hope this helps.
 
stone988 said:
I am older, 50 ugh! and I can tell you from my own experience what has helped me. HGH, primo, deca, anavar! Run all together or in any combination using hgh and always test as a base.
One needs to add the proper healing nutrients such as joint supplements at 3x the dose.
Proper nutrition and rest is vital. I go through a few weeks of aching worse as the compounds attack the joints and tendons, deca seems to lessen this side effect. Remember to always train smart. Hope this helps.
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Looking good for 50, assuming that's you in the avi.

I've felt relief from deca as well, I think the added joint lubrication can help actual healing go faster.

I'm not saying that deca itself heals, just that the added joint fluids takes stress off the joint, lessens aggravation, and lets it heal quicker.

I wouldn't ascribe anything in the healing area to primo or Anavar though.

HGH has definitely helped me. I wish I could find a reliable source so I'd be able to run 60IU of that per month indefinitely.
 
stone988 said:
I am older, 50 ugh! and I can tell you from my own experience what has helped me. HGH, primo, deca, anavar! Run all together or in any combination using hgh and always test as a base.
One needs to add the proper healing nutrients such as joint supplements at 3x the dose.
Proper nutrition and rest is vital. I go through a few weeks of aching worse as the compounds attack the joints and tendons, deca seems to lessen this side effect. Remember to always train smart. Hope this helps.
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If thats you in the avi...what are your stats
Height weight etc. Cuz dude you are looking solid for 50.........no homo:confused:
 
Test_Subject said:
Exactly. Steroids (deca especially) will just mask your injury while putting greater strain on your tendons. It's like taking a fentanyl and considering yourself cured.
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In some ways that comparison is accurate bc even though most NSAIDS such as Ibuprofen, tend to improve the symptoms of Degenerative Joint Disease, they do NOT expedite the healing process.

In fact some studies have shown NSAIDS may actually DELAY healing bc they diminish that process which is responsible, at least in part, inflammation. The latter is critical bc it results in the migration of FIBROBLASTS, which produces FIBROCARTILAGE!

It's for this reason the use of NSAIDs is best limited to "several days" of therapy
 
Dr JIM said:
In some ways that comparison is accurate bc even though most NSAIDS such as Ibuprofen, tend to improve the symptoms of Degenerative Joint Disease, they do NOT expedite the healing process.

In fact some studies have shown NSAIDS may actually DELAY healing bc they diminish that process which is responsible, at least in part, inflammation. The latter is critical bc it results in the migration of FIBROBLASTS, which produces FIBROCARTILAGE!

It's for this reason the use of NSAIDs is best limited to "several days" of therapy
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I was wondering why my orthopedic guy wanted to limit my use of ibuprofen for inflamation in my shoulder.
He gave me a choice of ibuprofen for a week 800mg 3 times a day or a cortizone shot that he really didnt want to do and neither did i.
I thought....and i should have asked...that it was due to the harshness to my stomach. Anyway i mostly rested the shoulder but did very light pt for a week with the ibuprofen and the shoulder is awesome.
Crazy... cuz it was so bad i couldnt sleep on it. Thats why we did the mri.
 
So the good news today is doc said I'm healing much quicker than expected. Took splint off and said I can start lifting again mext week. Essentially clear at week-6, vs the expected 10-12 weeks.

Thinks the hour of cardio Ive doing daily is probably why since tendons "aren't very vascularized."

So that's the answer. Cardio.
 
Iv had my eye on the stuff. No first hand experience but if it does what it says it does, tendon and joint repair , I'd be very interested.
you run like 5-7mg a week depending on weight for a month. Then 5mg every month afterwords. The doses could be wrong or vary from what I posted. It was all over the place. Idk how long though. Iv read as little as 3 months and as much as a year.
 
Just had another round of PRP treatment on both the radial and ulnar side of of my right arm, and just the ulnar side of my left.

More of a final nail in the coffin as my tendonitis/tendinosis is gone now (or at least I can't feel it). The doctor in question says that what I've done is his preferred treatment, ie do at least 4 rounds of PRP shots into the troubled areas.

I had pain constantly before, excruciating pain, now no pain at all, can do 15-16 widegrip pull-ups and not feel any pain after. Before that even trying a handful would have had my hitting the NSAIDS as soon as I got back from the gym. Now, it's just another exercise.

The hypersensitivity in the elbows is also gone.

People who claim placebo can go shove a pinecone up their rears.
 
stone988 said:
I am older, 50 ugh! and I can tell you from my own experience what has helped me. HGH, primo, deca, anavar! Run all together or in any combination using hgh and always test as a base.
One needs to add the proper healing nutrients such as joint supplements at 3x the dose.
Proper nutrition and rest is vital. I go through a few weeks of aching worse as the compounds attack the joints and tendons, deca seems to lessen this side effect. Remember to always train smart. Hope this helps.
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If thats you in your profile pic and youre 50 then my hat is off to you!!!! Excellent!!!
 
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