I seen 2 tests, 1 tested at 89% the other tested at 91%. I think both of the tests i seen was from B Ware, same batch i think but he received it in 2 different packs
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No one talked more shit in here about them than me, but the HPLC is probably the better test to go by here. 89% isn't amazing but it isn't that far off a typical NPP test result.
I agree it looks dirty as fuck, and they clearly cut some corners in manufacturing this.
Overpriced for sure, but if they sold us 76% NPP at that price I don't think anyone would buy from them again.
Gone are the days of throwing a raw baggie in a mix of carrier/bb/ba and throwing it in a microwave. My concern is the quality of RAWS and the vendors COA's being actual lies.
This purity value (%) is relied on to make a properly dosed end product, with some loss (actual difference) and degradation correction (est). If you don't suck at math then you should get an very on point final solution.
People that brew shouldn't be testing raws. But a sample of their own end finished product. From that sample you can tell if the raw vendor isn't honest about their COA and claims of purity.
If I see a "Vendor" with a bunch of Janoshik reports. They are just middle men, resellers, which is fine. If they are keen to source quality raws. They will not show the origin COA as it will give up their source.
The actual manufacturers have their own internal QA/QC testing. And they all come with an actual RELIABLE COA. They have too, they don't just sell raws to UGLs..
So where is the actual COA of this shitty raw?
It's with the bad batch of NPP they got hold off. They knew it was low quality shit.
This purity value (%) is relied on to make a properly dosed end product, with some loss (actual difference) and degradation correction (est). If you don't suck at math then you should get an very on point final solution.
People that brew shouldn't be testing raws. But a sample of their own end finished product. From that sample you can tell if the raw vendor isn't honest about their COA and claims of purity.
If I see a "Vendor" with a bunch of Janoshik reports. They are just middle men, resellers, which is fine. If they are keen to source quality raws. They will not show the origin COA as it will give up their source.
The actual manufacturers have their own internal QA/QC testing. And they all come with an actual RELIABLE COA. They have too, they don't just sell raws to UGLs..
So where is the actual COA of this shitty raw?
It's with the bad batch of NPP they got hold off. They knew it was low quality shit.
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FastBun
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haven’t seen a test that low… I think BWares came in around 91% with a jano test… so I think that’s pretty good nd his oil test was good too… white or yellow raw??? I don’t think it matters tbh… most of yall have zero knowledge in chemistry to be making these assumptions without knowing synthesis and alternative routes… not comin directly at u…
I think you should read the entire thread. Wasn't just color (with the Test C etc) but sediment with NPP. that will NOT dissolve and has to be filtered and factored OUT but purity would be all out of wack.
They cannot have possibly manufactured this NPP. There is NO way it would pass QC and the COA for NPP.
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Assay: 98%min(HPLC)
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Color: White to Off-White Solid powder
They didn't bother to QA the product because they didn't manufacture it, thus the silence...
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Theres a useless Jano report from 23. That contradicts their COA from 24
Why are they going to Jano? Did they manufacture the raw in 24 and didn't in 23?
There is no reason to doubt a COA from a manufacturer OR they did not produce it!
Won't be "pre-ordering" without at least an in house COA for this latest batch, or they didn't make it...
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Theres a useless Jano report from 23. That contradicts their COA from 24
Why are they going to Jano? Did they manufacture the raw in 24 and didn't in 23?
There is no reason to doubt a COA from a manufacturer OR they did not produce it!
Won't be "pre-ordering" without at least an in house COA for this latest batch, or they didn't make it...
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Detroitmonster
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Just a heads up to Bware and anyone else who had the shitty NPP raws . I’ve and very busy talking with this company and complaining to get you guys a refund or new pure product.
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I let them know when they contacted me back with a price quote that if they do not fix the issues on our forum with my fellow bodybuilding brothers, who are their current customers ,the rest of us damn sure won’t be there next Customer
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Remember where a bunch of husband‘s dad‘s brothers and sons nobody wants to see the next one get hurt, sick or possibly death.
Do you think filtering the NPP with a 22 micron filter is going to capture all the sediment?I think you should read the entire thread. Wasn't just color (with the Test C etc) but sediment with NPP. that will NOT dissolve and has to be filtered and factored OUT but purity would be all out of wack.
They cannot have possibly manufactured this NPP. There is NO way it would pass QC and the COA for NPP.
High Purity Chemical Synthesis Catalog | >99% Assay API Powder | AASraw
Browse industrial-grade raw powders optimized for bioavailability. Featuring Micronized Steroids and GLP-1 Agonists. Full technical documentation (COA, MSDS, MOA) available for every batch. Strict impurity control.
Assay: 98%min(HPLC)
AND ALSO:
Color: White to Off-White Solid powder
They didn't bother to QA the product because they didn't manufacture it, thus the silence...
Stauros3315
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If that helps i brewed 500ml and it clogged two . 22 filter. I pined 1ml to tset it and was all perfect
xrayphoton13
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Of course not. They're just a reseller. That's why they haven't had much in stock most of this year bc all the manufacturing was shut down. But they weren't. So if they were a manufacturer they would have been pumping out product non stop all year. Are there would be no drop in quality that we are seeing across the boardI think you should read the entire thread. Wasn't just color (with the Test C etc) but sediment with NPP. that will NOT dissolve and has to be filtered and factored OUT but purity would be all out of wack.
They cannot have possibly manufactured this NPP. There is NO way it would pass QC and the COA for NPP.
High Purity Chemical Synthesis Catalog | >99% Assay API Powder | AASraw
Browse industrial-grade raw powders optimized for bioavailability. Featuring Micronized Steroids and GLP-1 Agonists. Full technical documentation (COA, MSDS, MOA) available for every batch. Strict impurity control.
Assay: 98%min(HPLC)
AND ALSO:
Color: White to Off-White Solid powder
They didn't bother to QA the product because they didn't manufacture it, thus the silence...
Yes definitely, but it's too fine for grit and may clog repeatedly using up filters.
Bascially yeh, thats my point, the main raw producers aint got time for a 3rd party test. If they are producing tons of raws, most definitely have testing equipment and procedures as part of their QC and QA. I see a jano test with a "Manufacturer" is
Ain't got in house testing equipment and blindly produce raws or have no testing equipment because they don't produce raws.
clogged two filters? So basically you have no idea on the dosage? since it's 1:1 100mg/ml. I'm guessing it's 80mg/ml? Or did you factor in %20 more raw powder?
Stauros3315
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Exactly according to purity test from jano i put 62.5g raw powder instead of 50g for 500ml. This will produce 125mg per ml in 1 litre final product
Official statement for Npp powder(89% purity)
After receiving Janoshik’s report on NPP, we took the product quality concern very seriously and quickly launched a full investigation and comparison. We discovered around a 10% difference between our own NPP test results and Janoshik’s findings. Our company already announced a solution and your rep will be reaching out to you with the details very soon!
Thank you.
After receiving Janoshik’s report on NPP, we took the product quality concern very seriously and quickly launched a full investigation and comparison. We discovered around a 10% difference between our own NPP test results and Janoshik’s findings. Our company already announced a solution and your rep will be reaching out to you with the details very soon!
Thank you.
Stauros3315
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Thats perfect i think
watchtymeflyyy
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Sounds like u might need to test your own… just saying
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