Photon
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Have you considered that the sample weight may not be sufficient?
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Have you considered that the sample weight may not be sufficient?
The-Squat
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I don't think it works like that, years of doing this and 1 sample has had all batches match up.Have you considered that the sample weight may not be sufficient?
More finished gets tested than the raw, it never changes like that, 40% is large.
I think you are not listening to me when I said 3 raw samples were done and many more finished tests as well while all finished has shown to be 94% not 54%.
I'm not the only one involved just the only one on Meso to speak up.
I'm done with this, I moved on months ago.
Photon
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I did listen, but even with multiple rounds of testing of 200mg, it is still an insignificant amount. It's unfortunate but I no longer have this vendors TRE raws else maybe I'll get it tested. Maybe I should buy another batch...I don't even think they have it in stock anymore tho..
I'm not supporting any specific lab, heck AB is 1/2 price. If anything I'd be more than happy to cut my testing fees by 1/2.
I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to figure out how to get a more accurate result lol
Thank you for sharing.
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dinfaralt
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dont you have the answer for raws testing 80% showing different thing on hplc?
close steroid impurities to the mother molecule tested for.
Photon
Member
That's the GCMS right?
dinfaralt
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no it might be different for raws tested vs oils.
oils obfuscate more than testing 1 thing(raw)
gcms just reveals everything
hplc just shows purity for 1 thing
if 80% oil it might fuck up on 5 different items with test being very small %
they can still co-elute with raws but its less likely than in oils
Photon
Member
Ok I get what your saying
The lower purity might be because it only detects a very specific thing. But once in oil, it can't really differentiate and includes it all.
I remember in the GCMS tests, we saw AAS degradation and poorly synthesized compounds, I guess there's a possibility it's being included in the HPLC in the oil but not the raw.
dinfaralt
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that sounds horrifying for customers and big win for ugls
why ab and mz always test it so high is testing raws they cant even detect it with only 1 compound.
but jano with better testing can but not in hplc in oils
It means that it hasn't been shipped. Once it's shipped, you'll get a tracking number in 1 or 2 days.
And this is why I say we should purify rawsThey don't even test..
They only post the internal hplc which is done in Microsoft word.
They advertise with good customer reports and deny bad ones..
Nobody would have purchased if they posted the 89% NPP, 89% Test, 85% TRE and 88% MENT before selling..
this is why I pushed it months and months ago and no one listened ( at first)Buttttt this is great point for that very reality
We are faced with mis trust so we must take matters into our own hands. It works. Its proven to work. This is the bandaid for a solution that won't get fixed for now by complaining about these bad actors and their shitty behavior. They won't change. They will keep doing exactly what you said.
Save your unusable raws.
The smell is the indeed the synthesis byproduct
Wanna do a fun test ?
Purify it via proper recrystallization and you will see after you completely dry them out it has almost zero smell.
My tren ace almost a year ago came very strong acetone smell
I purfied it and it had ZERO smell
dcfreak
Member
Test C from early Dec had no issues brewing 200ml test batch. Looks clear, no issues with it dissolving. Im by no means an expert.
I will send a sample of the raw and finished oil to jano to see how it came out.
I will send a sample of the raw and finished oil to jano to see how it came out.
Photon
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And this is why I say we should purify raws
Buttttt this is great point for that very reality
We are faced with mis trust so we must take matters into our own hands. It works. Its proven to work. This is the bandaid for a solution that won't get fixed for now by complaining about these bad actors and their shitty behavior. They won't change. They will keep doing exactly what you said.
Save your unusable raws.
I'm still against the idea of recommending anyone purify raws. However about the smell, I wonder if we can completely get rid of it by just vacuum drying.
I have some raws that I plan to send in for testing. I was wondering if I should put the samples in a vacuum oven before sending to see how that affects the purity report. Does that seem something worthwhile? Or just going down the wrong rabbit hole?
Ateam2023
Member
Imo , you would have to send in a regular sample of the raw as well as your vacuum oven sample to compare the results
Photon
Member
I'd be very curious as well. Before and after. However if you plan to vacuum it first before brewing, then id do it and get it tested.
Agreed, would need a control to determine if it actually improves the purity report. It just starts to add up. I purchased a small amount of that Ment that another person tested at 88%, so that is the one I’d be most curious about.
Why is that? Because we're all playing chemist and might make things worse. If that is the case I understand.
But isn't the idea behind it some basic chemistry?
Photon
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These solvents volatile and flammable. Some guys going to either blow up or get an asthma attack.
And the final product..depending on what you use, how do you even get 3rd part verification that it's safe to use?
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