Aborting deca. Mental effects have been crippling. What now?

[barto9449]

This is my first time running deca. I usually run test and primo, but I wanted to try and put on a lot of mass quick. So I decided to throw in deca.

My current cycle is 6ius'hgh, 30-50 mcg's IGF-1, Lantus 3 times a week, 500 test, 400 deca, 500 Masteron.
I'm two months in. Felt absolutely great till now. Dick works fine, E2 and prolactin are dialed in.

Gains great, and the Masteron has been keeping me dry. Weight is up every week, but waist is the same. Really nice clean bulk. No matter what I eat I'm not getting fat, I will throw in some McDonald's and stuff like that. Insulin sensitivity has been great. And I got my insulin / peptide protocol completely dialed in.

Out of nowhere, mad depression (which I never have), panic attacks, numb, confused.

The issue is I work a ton and I have to make big decisions all the time (assets, investments etc..) , I have to eat a ton of food, and now I stare at my meals and I wanna die. Something is off in my head. I always feel great on test, mast, primo, anavar etc... Since I've been all depressed I can't even get the food down. I waited a week nothing has changed (probably getting worse), so I'm aborting deca.

From now I'll just stick to my usual stuff.

I don't know if I should just take the deca out, and maybe up the test to 600-700, remove the Masteron and throw in 500 primo and continue the bulk (deca will be in the system for a while). Or just cut down to my 250 TRT, sort the issues out and cruise for a bit?

Fuck i really hate having to back off like this, feel like a little bitch. But I can't let the gear get in the way with my work and sanity.

From now on I'll be real careful what I run, a big reason I'm on gear is the mental benefits.
If I don't feel good, everything falls apart.

 

[y777]

This is my first time running deca. I usually run test and primo, but I wanted to try and put on a lot of mass quick. So I decided to throw in deca.

My current cycle is 6ius'hgh, 30-50 mcg's IGF-1, Lantus 3 times a week, 500 test, 400 deca, 500 Masteron.
I'm two months in. Felt absolutely great till now. Dick works fine, E2 and prolactin are dialed in.

Gains great, and the Masteron has been keeping me dry. Weight is up every week, but waist is the same. Really nice clean bulk. No matter what I eat I'm not getting fat, I will throw in some McDonald's and stuff like that. Insulin sensitivity has been great. And I got my insulin / peptide protocol completely dialed in.

Out of nowhere, mad depression (which I never have), panic attacks, numb, confused.

The issue is I work a ton and I have to make big decisions all the time (assets, investments etc..) , I have to eat a ton of food, and now I stare at my meals and I wanna die. Something is off in my head. I always feel great on test, mast, primo, anavar etc... Since I've been all depressed I can't even get the food down. I waited a week nothing has changed (probably getting worse), so I'm aborting deca.

From now I'll just stick to my usual stuff.

I don't know if I should just take the deca out, and maybe up the test to 600-700, remove the Masteron and throw in 500 primo and continue the bulk (deca will be in the system for a while). Or just cut down to my 250 TRT, sort the issues out and cruise for a bit?

Fuck i really hate having to back off like this, feel like a little bitch. But I can't let the gear get in the way with my work and sanity.

From now on I'll be real careful what I run, a big reason I'm on gear is the mental benefits.
If I don't feel good, everything falls apart.

Which mast ester are you running ? I find that enanthate dose needs to be much higher for me than mast prop to get any CNS stim , eg 400–500 mast p vs 800 mast e (with 600 deca ). What I’ve done is split up my mast and run both esters. One acts as a hardener /SERM and the other for adrenaline /antidepressant when running 19nors. So 20-30 mg daily mast p plus 400+ mast e weekly.

 

[barto9449]

Which mast ester are you running ? I find that enanthate dose needs to be much higher for me than mast prop to get any CNS stim , eg 400–500 mast p vs 800 mast e (with 600 deca ). What I’ve done is split up my mast and run both esters. One acts as a hardener /SERM and the other for adrenaline /antidepressant when running 19nors. So 20-30 mg daily mast p plus 400+ mast e weekly.

I was running Masteron e. But I quit deca, now all is good. I'm gonna just stick to my test, mast, primo, insulin, HGH. This is all I need to have fun

 

[ackmack78]

Crazy how everyone is so different esp with the 19 nors. Running test, deca, mast and absolutely no issues. Recently threw a low dose of tren a on top and nothing. Moods great, dicks works, mentally can't even tell I'm on cycle just feel normal.

I do make it a point to keep estrogen down but it's gotten a bit away from me this cycle. Usually try to keep it at the top of the reference range which is 35 at lab corp or just above. But this cycle it has been sitting at 55-60.

 

[armburst]

Try npp if you want something from n
nor19. Dont be afraid. For me the best nor prep even now I'm on tri tren 450mg a week,test 800 and oxy 150mg ed,because is time for rest of npp. But next cycle will be npp for sure. Also,I do pining ed,it gives me different feeling,also stable e2

 

[y777]

Try npp if you want something from n
nor19. Dont be afraid. For me the best nor prep even now I'm on tri tren 450mg a week,test 800 and oxy 150mg ed,because is time for rest of npp. But next cycle will be npp for sure. Also,I do pining ed,it gives me different feeling,also stable e2

NPP is great even on a deca cycle , a low daily dose of NPP (eg 10mg) stacked w deca (400/w) gives that daily kick /CNS stim that the slow burner deca does not (for me, at
Least ).

 

[redsssn03]

This is my first time running deca. I usually run test and primo, but I wanted to try and put on a lot of mass quick. So I decided to throw in deca.

My current cycle is 6ius'hgh, 30-50 mcg's IGF-1, Lantus 3 times a week, 500 test, 400 deca, 500 Masteron.
I'm two months in. Felt absolutely great till now. Dick works fine, E2 and prolactin are dialed in.

Gains great, and the Masteron has been keeping me dry. Weight is up every week, but waist is the same. Really nice clean bulk. No matter what I eat I'm not getting fat, I will throw in some McDonald's and stuff like that. Insulin sensitivity has been great. And I got my insulin / peptide protocol completely dialed in.

Out of nowhere, mad depression (which I never have), panic attacks, numb, confused.

The issue is I work a ton and I have to make big decisions all the time (assets, investments etc..) , I have to eat a ton of food, and now I stare at my meals and I wanna die. Something is off in my head. I always feel great on test, mast, primo, anavar etc... Since I've been all depressed I can't even get the food down. I waited a week nothing has changed (probably getting worse), so I'm aborting deca.

From now I'll just stick to my usual stuff.

I don't know if I should just take the deca out, and maybe up the test to 600-700, remove the Masteron and throw in 500 primo and continue the bulk (deca will be in the system for a while). Or just cut down to my 250 TRT, sort the issues out and cruise for a bit?

Fuck i really hate having to back off like this, feel like a little bitch. But I can't let the gear get in the way with my work and sanity.

From now on I'll be real careful what I run, a big reason I'm on gear is the mental benefits.
If I don't feel good, everything falls apart.

Hey man, Don't worry about it. I had a similar experience with NPP it's great until it isn't. The dopamine movement altering properties of 19-nors is no joke. Primo and test with GH is just as good, more expensive, but just as good. Deca and NPP will punch up your water weight but you likely gain the same amount of muscle over the course of a cycle. EQ is something I would recommend. It is roughly the same as deca in terms of what you should expect from anabolism if that's a concern. Makes you hungry as hell too so packing on mass is an easy job with it. You could also try a lower dose of deca, roughly 1/2 of your test dose in the future with primo or mast to support better mental health.

 

[BigDadd7]

Hey man, Don't worry about it. I had a similar experience with NPP it's great until it isn't. The dopamine movement altering properties of 19-nors is no joke. Primo and test with GH is just as good, more expensive, but just as good. Deca and NPP will punch up your water weight but you likely gain the same amount of muscle over the course of a cycle. EQ is something I would recommend. It is roughly the same as deca in terms of what you should expect from anabolism if that's a concern. Makes you hungry as hell too so packing on mass is an easy job with it. You could also try a lower dose of deca, roughly 1/2 of your test dose in the future with primo or mast to support better mental health.

I'm sure he's been waiting around since December for your advice.

 

[malfeasance]

Primo and test with GH is just as good, more expensive, but just as good. Deca and NPP will punch up your water weight but you likely gain the same amount of muscle over the course of a cycle.

Anybody else think this is true?

I have plenty of experience adding NPP and Deca to test, which works very well for adding muscle, but I have no experience adding Primo to test.

I would like to hear from others who have done so - is this true?

 

[Juicedhead]

Anybody else think this is true?

I have plenty of experience adding NPP and Deca to test, which works very well for adding muscle, but I have no experience adding Primo to test.

I would like to hear from others who have done so - is this true?

primo, test, 50mg anadrol, a little gh i looked insane. I would say primo is better than deca in my opinion. The last time I ran it I was blown away the look and the amount of real muscle it builds, throw a strong oral in there and it really hits. Also gives me an awsome feeling like huge drive.

 

[sbdman]

I’ve experienced the dreaded mental sides with both nand esters (Deca/NPP). ….like 3-5 times I can’t recall exactly. BUT I keep coming back. What I’ve taken note of with my own physiology is that the mental sides take about 5-6 weeks before they’re noticeable and 3-5 weeks after that before the mental sides become unmanageable. So I can handle about an 8-11 week cycle of it. That’s why over the last few years I’ve switched from Deca to NPP to allow for the ester to clear faster once I’ve tapped out.

Here’s how the mental sides present for me. At first there’s nothing really, sex isn’t effected and nothing too crazy gain wise. Around 2.5-3 weeks my libido kicks up, muscles begin to pop more and joints feel great. I don’t get huge strength increases on this stuff though. Around week 5 is when I’ll begin having dark thoughts which leave me thinking WTF or “alrightyy then the nand is doing its thing.” But it’s my first notice that I only have about a month or so left. The cycle is done when I begin questioning what I’m doing with my life, nothing feels hopeful, and everything is grey. Also, arguing with the wife and irritated more often with the kids increases. At that point it’s cut off and I feel better within several days and fully recovered after 2-4 weeks. I’ll usually pump up the mast or primo at this point to increase DHT which helps recovering from the nand mental sides. I do run either mast or primo with nand to counter libido sides and it works but for me it does nothing to counter the mental stuff. Maybe delays it? But I can’t say for sure.

 

[redsssn03]

I’ve experienced the dreaded mental sides with both nand esters (Deca/NPP). ….like 3-5 times I can’t recall exactly. BUT I keep coming back. What I’ve taken note of with my own physiology is that the mental sides take about 5-6 weeks before they’re noticeable and 3-5 weeks after that before the mental sides become unmanageable. So I can handle about an 8-11 week cycle of it. That’s why over the last few years I’ve switched from Deca to NPP to allow for the ester to clear faster once I’ve tapped out.

Here’s how the mental sides present for me. At first there’s nothing really, sex isn’t effected and nothing too crazy gain wise. Around 2.5-3 weeks my libido kicks up, muscles begin to pop more and joints feel great. I don’t get huge strength increases on this stuff though. Around week 5 is when I’ll begin having dark thoughts which leave me thinking WTF or “alrightyy then the nand is doing its thing.” But it’s my first notice that I only have about a month or so left. The cycle is done when I begin questioning what I’m doing with my life, nothing feels hopeful, and everything is grey. Also, arguing with the wife and irritated more often with the kids increases. At that point it’s cut off and I feel better within several days and fully recovered after 2-4 weeks. I’ll usually pump up the mast or primo at this point to increase DHT which helps recovering from the nand mental sides. I do run either mast or primo with nand to counter libido sides and it works but for me it does nothing to counter the mental stuff. Maybe delays it? But I can’t say for sure.

Great way to describe the progression of the thought. I completely agree that's how it feels