Abortion

[jbiggs]

I'll also add that anyone who has had a miscarriage will tell you there is definitely a sense of loss!

 

[Liv2grw]

I support abortion in the event of rape, incest, if the mother's life is threatened, or if the child is gonna be so horribly deformed (either mentally or physically) that he/she will not be able to function at any appreciable level (i.e.: down syndromes does not count).

I do NOT however, support abortion as a form of birth control. There is no reason for a woman to become pregnanat these days. If she makes that mistake, then she needs to take care of her responsibilities...even if that means adoption.

I don't buy the whole argument "It's my body". AS a biologist by nature (and my studies focused primarily on genetics), the genetic "blueprint" is set in stone (barring a genetic mutation) at the time of fertilization. IMO, the process of life has begun and anything other than a natural phenomenon (i.e.: miscarriage) that disrupts that process is murder.

Now, there is the legal argument that defines death as when the heart stops beating. At week 1, the heart has not developed yet...so that is the one flaw in my argument...is that legally it is probably not considered murder. But IMO, it is.

Well said bro . Looks like we wont be arguing on this one

 

[Liv2grw]

One thing I find fairly interesting is in nature if a mother deer has a young and feels the enviornment is not sutible for the young to live a healthy life, she will take it into her "own hands" to end the life of the fawn. The Doe relizes the young will not have the adequate food to supply the young and instead of the fawn suffering she will stomp its life out of it. In the real world the same happens sometimes with poverty stricken individuals realizing they cant afford the child they will have a abortion. Personally I think we should have more morals than animals.

 

[sc redneck]

Redneck

Yes that is what I meant...I forgot about about some of those in the deep south.

my first two times were with first cousins,,,,, we were very young though

 

[Kayz]

my first two times were with first cousins,,,,, we were very young though

Was it the same cousin or 2 different ones????

 

[Grizzly]

I'll also add that anyone who has had a miscarriage will tell you there is definitely a sense of loss!

A sense of loss for whom? The mother and father. The loss they feel is for the loss of future plans. They have lost hope, that's all. It's the same as breaking up with someone. You had hoped to do such and such in the future with that person. Now you will never do such and such.

The hopeful mother and father planned out the name, the fact that the kid would be wrestling by age 2 and 1/2, captain of the wrestling team, NCAA 4 time champ, Olympic gold medalist, but then, that hope was gone! Now they feel sad. The fetus has no sense of loss.

 

[Kayz]

A sense of loss for whom? The mother and father. The loss they feel is for the loss of future plans. They have lost hope, that's all. It's the same as breaking up with someone. You had hoped to do such and such in the future with that person. Now you will never do such and such.

The hopeful mother and father planned out the name, the fact that the kid would be wrestling by age 2 and 1/2, captain of the wrestling team, NCAA 4 time champ, Olympic gold medalist, but then, that hope was gone! Now they feel sad. The fetus has no sense of loss.

BABY KILLER!!!!

 

[Grizzly]

Hey it's better that I kill it prior to birth rather than afterwards if it turns out to be a homo like you!

Bwahashahahahahahahaha

 

[Kayz]

Hey it's better that I kill it prior to birth rather than afterwards if it turns out to be a homo like you!

Bwahashahahahahahahaha

Oh okay....I see how it is motherfucker!!!

You're jussttttt jealoussss you don't have a poodle!!

 

[Primo Max]

As for abortion: I love it!!![/QUOTE]


Agreed Grizzly. Very much so.

 

[Liv2grw]

A "FETUS" is not a child. Or a "kid" as you put it. Let's drop the rhetoric.

Here's some other rhetoric, just to make a point. "You can't miss what you never had", thus a FETUS cannot be saddened, harmed, etc. by being aborted because there was only potential life and not actual life.

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have read all day possibly all month. A fetus is life not potential life, it is living and growing inside the womb. That is life no matter how you look at it. So what are you saying "Pooh Bear" a baby isn't life until its born thats absoultly ignorant! Choice life your Mother did.

 

[Liv2grw]

As for abortion: I love it!!!

Agreed Grizzly. Very much so.[/QUOTE]


Pity your Mothers didnt agree

 

[Liv2grw]

It's sad we live in a country were if you kill a endangered animal you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent and do some serious jail time but you can legally KILL MURDER a unborn baby. That just makes me sick.

 

[Grizzly]

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL You're funny, dude. Sorry, a FETUS is not a BABY! End of story. Go look them up in the dictionary and see if they have the same definition.

 

[Liv2grw]

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL You're funny, dude. Sorry, a FETUS is not a BABY! End of story. Go look them up in the dictionary and see if they have the same definition.

Well you said a fetus was not living those where your own words and I pointed out yes of course it is living you can't argue that no matter what , dont bother try you will look even more foolish Pooh Bear.

 

[Liv2grw]

Well what about partial birth abortion are you trying to say that fetus isnt a baby , well your wrong once again because the BABY can be taken out of the mother and put in a incubator and live.

 

[Liv2grw]

fetus: the unborn offspring from the end of the embryonic period of development until birth, which in the human species extends from seven or eight weeks until delivery at thirty-six weeks.

The new definition thanks to the Texan's is :The new definition, takes out the phrase "has been born" and adds this phrase to the end - "including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1388698


SORRY POOH BEAR WRONG AGAIN

 

[Grizzly]

No, it can't. IIRC, viability is about 28 weeks. Do you know what viability means?

As far as what I meant goes, it's the point of the difference between a baby and a fetus. Sure, maybe the fetus is "alive", but it doesn't have "a life". Guess what? I also think it's perfectly alright to pull the plug on a "vegetable" because they don't have "a life" either.

 

[Grizzly]

fetus: the unborn offspring from the end of the embryonic period of development until birth, which in the human species extends from seven or eight weeks until delivery at thirty-six weeks.

The new definition thanks to the Texan's is :The new definition, takes out the phrase "has been born" and adds this phrase to the end - "including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1388698


SORRY POOH BEAR WRONG AGAIN

Okay, if you say so, Junior.

 

[Ronin_]

I think of some online sources (none of which are golden bros here - meso has all fine sources) and i WISH they had been aborted.