About to run my first cycle, looking for pointers

[Shaggy1g]

Based off a friends recommendation I’m looking to run a cycle which consists of a test/primo stack. I’ll be pinning 3 times a week for a total of 400 test and 200 primo.

I’m 36 years old 6’4 225 and been an athlete most my life. I’ve started lifting over the passed 3 months very constantly and the passed 3 weeks I’ve had my diet next to perfectly under control and work a really physical job doing windows.

Is this the right route to go? I’ve done some research and have seen multiple good posts about this stack and even some as a first cycle, any help would really be appreciated with any info a newbie might easily miss with self done research.

Thank you again for anyone who takes the time to read this and respond with educational information

 

[mae_geri]

You're lifting since 3 month?! And already want to start a cycle?

You need help man. First of all, you need supps and AI for a cycle, otherwhile you'll harm your health....health should be always number one prio. when on cycle!

Second...I would recommend to train 2 years natural now because you're a new lifter, you'll make a lot of progres natural, your body will change fast with the right diet und beeing in a surplus with clean meals.

I would go this route.....

Inform yourself about AAS and Health, there are good sources out there. If you need help, let me know.

 

[Shaggy1g]

You're lifting since 3 month?! And already want to start a cycle?

You need help man. First of all, you need supps and AI for a cycle, otherwhile you'll harm your health....health should be always number one prio. when on cycle!

Second...I would recommend to train 2 years natural now because you're a new lifter, you'll make a lot of progres natural, your body will change fast with the right diet und beeing in a surplus with clean meals.

I would go this route.....

Inform yourself about AAS and Health, there are good sources out there. If you need help, let me know.

I’ve played football and was a boxer most of my life, both of those included lifting. Did you not read the whole post? Ive been taking my lifting more serious as a bodybuilder over the last 3 months and am now trying to gain overall strength

 

[BigTomJ]

I’ve played football and was a boxer most of my life, both of those included lifting. Did you not read the whole post? Ive been taking my lifting more serious as a bodybuilder over the last 3 months and am now trying to gain overall strength

Regardless, your casual lifting I. Your athletic career accounts for almost nothing.

You're essentially a beginner. Drugs have no place in an intelligent plan for someone in your position.

 

[saev]

How long a time between "most of my life" and "the past 3 months" ?

Why did you stop training to begin with, and what's the reason you won't stop again?

 

[Shaggy1g]

How long a time between "most of my life" and "the past 3 months" ?

Why did you stop training to begin with, and what's the reason you won't stop again?

I have a home gym in my garage with a punching bag, cobra bag and a speed bag and a full weight set and I train almost every day with lightweights to stay in shape even if just a little but mostly focused on my boxing, but just recently started taking weightlifting really serious and want to get strong.

 

[Shaggy1g]

I have a home gym in my garage with a punching bag, cobra bag and a speed bag and a full weight set and I train almost every day with lightweights to stay in shape even if just a little but mostly focused on my boxing, but just recently started taking weightlifting really serious and want to get strong.

And I’ve been doing that for the passed year and a half

 

[taco33150]

Most I would do is a trt .. at 36 you should get checked first to see where your natural levels are at.. I know you mentioned being an athlete, but bodybuilding is different.. you need more than 3 months of consistency.. I’m talking 3-5 years consistently..

 

[Shaggy1g]

How long a time between "most of my life" and "the past 3 months" ?

Why did you stop training to begin with, and what's the reason you won't stop again?

To elaborate a little more, I am more than just a casual boxer. I’ve competed for a few years and trained at well known gyms on national teams, I’m not just going to la fitness to smack a bag around. Before my home gym I’ve always had a gym membership as well to stay in shape, and I work construction doing very physical work sometimes 10 hours in a day. The only thing I’ve ever struggled with is my diet but ive got that on lock now

 

[RaddishPork]

As a fellow boxer who got into bodybuilding, it’s not the same world brother. What is your reasoning for wanting to cycle? Do you plan on continuing to box?

Bodybuilding and fighting are very conflicting sports and training methods. The dietary needs are very different as well. One is endless cardio and essentially HIIT, while bodybuilding is about going slow, controlling the pace, and typically adding mass.

If you just want to look good and have more energy for boxing then you don’t need a cycle. If you want to get beefy and look like a bodybuilder, it’s going to hurt your boxing. Once you add 15+ lbs you will feel the drop in cardio. You might punch a little harder but your joints are going to hurt. And good luck jump roping. The impact is going to tear up your legs.

You’re an almost 40 year old man so I won’t tell you what to do. You can get your levels checked and TRT might be a good option. But I’d recommend picking a sport and sticking with it. If you really love boxing and want to keep training for it, the bodybuilder lifestyle isn’t going to help it. That’s my 2 cents from experience.

It’s easy to have a perfect diet for 3 months. Can you do it for 12 months though? What about when you tweak something and need 2 weeks off. Can you bounce back with the same intensity? These are things you want to master while natural.

 

[RekTest]

Based off a friends recommendation I’m looking to run a cycle which consists of a test/primo stack. I’ll be pinning 3 times a week for a total of 400 test and 200 primo.

I’m 36 years old 6’4 225 and been an athlete most my life. I’ve started lifting over the passed 3 months very constantly and the passed 3 weeks I’ve had my diet next to perfectly under control and work a really physical job doing windows.

Is this the right route to go? I’ve done some research and have seen multiple good posts about this stack and even some as a first cycle, any help would really be appreciated with any info a newbie might easily miss with self done research.

Thank you again for anyone who takes the time to read this and respond with educational information

If your gonna go ahead regardless of people recommending to lift longer, atleast drop the primo and just do test as your first cycle to see how it affects you, if you do two compounds first cycle and have problems you wont know what it is from or how to deal with it.

500mg/wk test and grab an ai to have on hand, 16 weeks total.

 

[Slashdotcom]

Probably you will hear a lot suggestions and should you do it or not....

I will just answer your question...first cycle. Use just test, long ester(cyp or ent).

16 -20 weeks, start with 250mg/w and increase to 500mg/w.
AI...here is really subjective. With 250 you might not need it...or maybe yes.
Usually the "bro science" is 1mg arimidex for 250mg of test. Or 25mg of aromasin. Aromasin does not influence your lipids so much, but i find it more difficult to keep the estrogen under control.

I hope you are healthy! The steroids are for healthy people! And do the blood work.

Good luck...

 

[Shaggy1g]

As a fellow boxer who got into bodybuilding, it’s not the same world brother. What is your reasoning for wanting to cycle? Do you plan on continuing to box?

Bodybuilding and fighting are very conflicting sports and training methods. The dietary needs are very different as well. One is endless cardio and essentially HIIT, while bodybuilding is about going slow, controlling the pace, and typically adding mass.

If you just want to look good and have more energy for boxing then you don’t need a cycle. If you want to get beefy and look like a bodybuilder, it’s going to hurt your boxing. Once you add 15+ lbs you will feel the drop in cardio. You might punch a little harder but your joints are going to hurt. And good luck jump roping. The impact is going to tear up your legs.

You’re an almost 40 year old man so I won’t tell you what to do. You can get your levels checked and TRT might be a good option. But I’d recommend picking a sport and sticking with it. If you really love boxing and want to keep training for it, the bodybuilder lifestyle isn’t going to help it. That’s my 2 cents from experience.

It’s easy to have a perfect diet for 3 months. Can you do it for 12 months though? What about when you tweak something and need 2 weeks off. Can you bounce back with the same intensity? These are things you want to master while natural.

I’m done boxing in any kind of competitive way, I just want to get beefy now.

 

[Shaggy1g]

Probably you will hear a lot suggestions and should you do it or not....

I will just answer your question...first cycle. Use just test, long ester(cyp or ent).

16 -20 weeks, start with 250mg/w and increase to 500mg/w.
AI...here is really subjective. With 250 you might not need it...or maybe yes.
Usually the "bro science" is 1mg arimidex for 250mg of test. Or 25mg of aromasin. Aromasin does not influence your lipids so much, but i find it more difficult to keep the estrogen under control.

I hope you are healthy! The steroids are for healthy people! And do the blood work.

Good luck...

Thank you

 

[AlexDavis43]

To elaborate a little more, I am more than just a casual boxer. I’ve competed for a few years and trained at well known gyms on national teams, I’m not just going to la fitness to smack a bag around. Before my home gym I’ve always had a gym membership as well to stay in shape, and I work construction doing very physical work sometimes 10 hours in a day. The only thing I’ve ever struggled with is my diet but ive got that on lock now

OK. Ask your doc about getting tested for TRT. It will be life changing considering your history. No need to immediately dive into a cycle.

Most guys here are more about harm reduction but I'm more about not blowing your load from the get go (plus you're not proposing anything very harmful anyway).

Plenty of time to do cycles in the future. You'll make gains with TRT alone.

 

[egruberman]

36? Any children on the horizon? Can you get on for the rest of your life? If so, get a coach, get some bloodwork and get on a cruise. If you go straight on a cycle e2 is going to be trickier to manage until you're full shutdown as you'll have natural production diminishing on top of the increase in exogenous testosterone.

Once you have bloodwork and someone to interpret it and are on a cruise for a while and familiar with how your body responds to the compounds, then maybe consider a cycle.

400 test / 200 primo could land your e2 anywhere depending on how you aromatize. Could be you're a hyper-responder to primo and crash your e2, throwing an AI on top of that would make it even worse. More likely you'll aromatize more than you expect and 200 primo won't be enough to keep e2 in range, but who knows what the correct dose of AI is going to be without bloodwork and someone to interpret it. Or maybe you'd want to increase primo, these are all things your coach can help you with.

 

[mae_geri]

It seems that it doesn't matter what we say you want to cycle on.

I would highly recommend to inform you first well about AAS....read and and understand...buy ebooks.

You need AI on hand, do you have?

Go for Test only cylce....

 

[unkwnlifter]

At 40, I blast and curse, on a self monitor and administer TRT. 250 test c a week. But did many cycles in the past.

I know some people think PEDs are only for guys who can dead lift 20,000,000 lbs on 4000 cal of chicken and broccoli. And only once you have trained for 100 years and won your first amateur comp.

Well as someone who uses for TRT and personal well being and appearance. I'll give you some advice

Get you base blood work done first and foremost. Test free test estrogen lipids kidney and liver. Monitor your BP. Etc

At this point if you test is low you can decide if you want TRT (test for life) if you're still in high range....you can try and cycle (on and pct off)

My self I let my self go over the Covid years went long haul trucking ate like garbage, carl Jrs on fuel points etc....went up to almost 240lbs. At 5'9

Changed careers, tested my self had low T high E libo issues etc etc. hopped on TRT dropped 45 lbs started to eat clean healthy and hopped back in the gym. I'm now 190 lbs with lean muscles and 15% bf and dropping I went from depression hating life to feeling like I'm 25 again.

So for those who say you shouldn't blah blah I'll tell you this it's your life your body as long as you take care of it train and eat good there is no reason PEDS won't enhance anything you're trying to to achieve.

So here is the only cycle Ill recommend and it's the same as above

16-20 weeks Test C 250mg
AI on hand if needed.

Blood work checked week 4-6 and you can decide to go to 500mg or even 375.

You can get great gains on 250 alone with hard work diet. Now this is also based on your baseline blood work.

Drop the primo. 1 compound is enough to begin with.

Also please research alot, are you gyno pron ? Are you ready to go bald ?, do you all ready suffer from MPB, do you care if your testicles shrink to toddler size and your become in fertile and bust tiny loads that eventually have 0 sperm and mostly just lube fluid.

Peds are no joke and you can seriously hurt the body if you just start hopping on gear with no clue.

I seen people think Anavar is safe and crash lipids and do kidney damage because they thought they didn't need to take supplements And monitor health

 

[TurtleTank]

It seems that it doesn't matter what we say you want to cycle on.

I would highly recommend to inform you first well about AAS....read and and understand...buy ebooks.

You need AI on hand, do you have?

Go for Test only cylce....

Got any recommendations for ebooks other than Llewellyn’s? I’d be happy with a link to a thread of recommendations always looking for more sources that aren’t primarily anecdotal.

 

[TurtleTank]

For OP, I would highly recommend TRT under doc supervision. The guys are right, you aren’t past your newbie bodybuilding gains, so you really shouldn’t be going hardcore yet. But I also get the impatience and the allure of the drugs.

If you choose the TRT method, you will enhance your performance, grow like a weed, and most importantly LEARN, all under a doc’s supervision. Then when you know your body well and have a firm grasp on the material, you can cycle and have a much more pleasant experience.

That’s what I did, TRT for a long time, read everything I could find, asked my doc tons of stupid questions, then told my doc I just wanted to come in for labs and start cycling some heavier drugs. She’s said it’s your life and she’s happy to monitor me and tell me the facts.

Win-win.