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So this is supposed to be pharmaceutical grade test? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the iranian shit, no? We have had quite a shit show about what is acceptable dosing compared to the label claims over in one of the ugl threads. So the fact that this is supposed to be pharma grade (could be counterfeit, I suppose) and is overdosed more than 10% of the label claim makes me laugh.

Don't get me wrong. If it's clean and sterile, I don't really see a problem. But it makes me laugh when guys are giving an ugl shit about the açcuracy of his dosing compared to label claims, and yet most of his products are closer than this big pharma sample.
 
Yes I did question the dosage myself and also the amps are not level some below 1ml, pharma grade I am starting to wonder. But I now know the quantity and quality so I can go from there.

you do get abit of +/- of these tests but I agree abit over dosed.

better than the last bunk TMT 500 I got which was laughable. Thankfully I test all my gear now.

The test is there for the community to make there own mind up, still not bad result, pharma grade I will let you make your own mind up on that one!!
 
MadBret said:
So this is supposed to be pharmaceutical grade test? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the iranian shit, no? We have had quite a shit show about what is acceptable dosing compared to the label claims over in one of the ugl threads. So the fact that this is supposed to be pharma grade (could be counterfeit, I suppose) and is overdosed more than 10% of the label claim makes me laugh.

Don't get me wrong. If it's clean and sterile, I don't really see a problem. But it makes me laugh when guys are giving an ugl shit about the açcuracy of his dosing compared to label claims, and yet most of his products are closer than this big pharma sample.
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@MadBret, lol, I'm biting my tongue over at that thread. Unreal !!!!! And I think they are even asking that UGL to label product to match results of tested product. Tren A 95.33...Test Prop 101.55...etc..etc...which I have never seen.
 
tauras66 said:
@MadBret, lol, I'm biting my tongue over at that thread. Unreal !!!!! And I think they are even asking that UGL to label product to match results of tested product. Tren A 95.33...Test Prop 101.55...etc..etc...which I have never seen.
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Yeah man. I get trying to protect the community but sometimes it gets a bit overboard. He mentioned that he is planning to send out a bunch more product and raws to be tested in the near future and I believe he will do the quick shipping method that has been mentioned.

He has mostly taken the high road with all the abuse. He has made some errors in judgement, but he seems like he's trying to come correct, overall.

If we compare his entrance and time here with a couple of the newest guys to introduce themselves, it's a night and day difference. I hope he continues to do his best and prove those guys wrong. It would be good for him and our community.
 
even pharmaceutical products have an acceptable range of deviation from the label. your simply not going to get products like these to be dosed exactly as labeled every time.

the fact that it is that high over and the amps are under filled, i would say there is a good chance they're counterfeit. i have never seen a pharmaceutical amp or 1ml vial that has under 1ml.

i read something years ago about dosing accuracy, and i believe it said products needed to fall +- 3% of the labeled dose. i have not been aboe to find it again, but i think a 10% deviation would be far to high for pharmaceutical standards.
 
Jstone2 said:
even pharmaceutical products have an acceptable range of deviation from the label. your simply not going to get products like these to be dosed exactly as labeled every time.

the fact that it is that high over and the amps are under filled, i would say there is a good chance they're counterfeit. i have never seen a pharmaceutical amp or 1ml vial that has under 1ml.

i read something years ago about dosing accuracy, and i believe it said products needed to fall +- 3% of the labeled dose. i have not been aboe to find it again, but i think a 10% deviation would be far to high for pharmaceutical standards.
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From what I can gather, pharmaceutical generics are allowed to be from 80-125% of what they are labeled as. I would assume that most are closer than the max variations, though.
 
MadBret said:
From what I can gather, pharmaceutical generics are allowed to be from 80-125% of what they are labeled as. I would assume that most are closer than the max variations, though.
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that seams really far off to me to be acceptable. the numbers i remember reading i can never find, and i have tried repeatedly. 80-125% of label is a variation of +- 20% roughly which seams rediculous to me. definitely not saying your wrong, but i would like to think pharmaceutical companies are held to a higher standard than what i produce at home.
 
Jstone2 said:
that seams really far off to me to be acceptable. the numbers i remember reading i can never find, and i have tried repeatedly. 80-125% of label is a variation of +- 20% roughly which seams rediculous to me. definitely not saying your wrong, but i would like to think pharmaceutical companies are held to a higher standard than what i produce at home.
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You would think so...
 
Loanranger said:
Yes I did question the dosage myself and also the amps are not level some below 1ml, pharma grade I am starting to wonder. But I now know the quantity and quality so I can go from there.

you do get abit of +/- of these tests but I agree abit over dosed.

better than the last bunk TMT 500 I got which was laughable. Thankfully I test all my gear now.

The test is there for the community to make there own mind up, still not bad result, pharma grade I will let you make your own mind up on that one!!
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Here's the big question. Are you paying pharma prices? That is really the only thing that would bother me. A little bit overdosed I don't really care.
Edit: Crap, @Test_Subject sort of beat me to it. I posted before I read all the way down.
 
MadBret said:
From what I can gather, pharmaceutical generics are allowed to be from 80-125% of what they are labeled as. I would assume that most are closer than the max variations, though.
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That seems ridiculous to me for pharma but Ive never looked into it. I would have thought for pharma a standard error of +-5% or even less would be max.

Edit: Fuck, I did it again- this time I was going bottom to top- @Jstone2 pretty much said same.
 
lifter6973 said:
Here's the big question. Are you paying pharma prices? That is really the only thing that would bother me. A little bit overdosed I don't really care.
Edit: Crap, @Test_Subject sort of beat me to it. I posted before I read all the way down.
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I purchased Rox TMT 500 ( result was posted here also) from Turkish Pharmacy, and tested, which was absolute shit in a vial. So he compensated me for my testing and I got these instead. Pharma grade I am starting to doubt. But as mentioned I know the quantity, slightly over but main thing is I know about it.
 
Loanranger said:
I purchased Rox TMT 500 ( result was posted here also) from Turkish Pharmacy, and tested, which was absolute shit in a vial. So he compensated me for my testing and I got these instead. Pharma grade I am starting to doubt. But as mentioned I know the quantity, slightly over but main thing is I know about it.
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yeah, kind of like some of those Watson/Westward/Actavis Test Cyps that still are going around. I had both the real deal and the supposed real deal and they both worked the same. I am fairly certain the ones I did not get at the pharmacy are counterfeit but they did likely have cyp at right around the proper dose. Some sources sold those for as much as 100 a vial if you can believe it. Others were closer to 50.
 
Jstone2 said:
even pharmaceutical products have an acceptable range of deviation from the label. your simply not going to get products like these to be dosed exactly as labeled every time.

the fact that it is that high over and the amps are under filled, i would say there is a good chance they're counterfeit. i have never seen a pharmaceutical amp or 1ml vial that has under 1ml.

i read something years ago about dosing accuracy, and i believe it said products needed to fall +- 3% of the labeled dose. i have not been aboe to find it again, but i think a 10% deviation would be far to high for pharmaceutical standards.
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I am back home tomorrow night, been working away from home, so will try get a pic of the vial lined up. But when a syringed for jano to test it was just below 1m in syringe. maybe it loss a little.
 
The variation between the vials in terms of quantity of oil that you’ve mentioned really makes me doubt that they’re real, along with the 34mg more raw compound. The amount of oil in all of the Bayer (Testoviron and Rimobolan) and Balkan (Testosterone) amps I have is consistent between sources/batches/amps, even if they all are 0.1ml over 1ml.

I’d love to see some photos and I could also ask my Iranian bodybuilding friend what he thinks.
 
Ss99 said:
The variation between the vials in terms of quantity of oil that you’ve mentioned really makes me doubt that they’re real, along with the 34mg more raw compound. The amount of oil in all of the Bayer (Testoviron and Rimobolan) and Balkan (Testosterone) amps I have is consistent between sources/batches/amps, even if they all are 0.1ml over 1ml.

I’d love to see some photos and I could also ask my Iranian bodybuilding friend what he thinks.
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Ideal mate, I will get some over shortly.
 
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