Accutane and HPTA shutdown

Nicolaus

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Hello,

Has anyone taken accutane long term/ or even short term and have experienced permanent ED, and low testosterone (bloodwork) even after cessation of the medication?

If so, were you ever able to find out the cause? Any MRI conducted? Could accutane possibly affect the pituitary?

Not quite sure what this means shown below,

Isotretinoin (13-cis RA) is the most potent agent in the treatment of acne. Insights into its mechanism of action can lead to drug discovery of alternative compounds with comparable efficacy but improved safety. The goal of this study is to compare the temporal changes in gene expression in the skin of acne patients after 1 week and 8 weeks of treatment with isotretinoin. Microarray analysis was performed on skin biopsies taken from eight acne patients prior to and at 8 weeks of treatment with isotretinoin. Results were compared with data obtained from seven acne patients biopsied at one week of treatment in a prior study. Distinctly different patterns of gene expression were noted. At 8 weeks, genes encoding extracellular matrix proteins were upregulated and numerous genes encoding lipid metabolizing enzymes were downregulated. At 1 week, genes encoding differentiation markers, tumor suppressors and serine proteases were upregulated. Only three genes were commonly downregulated. The temporal changes in gene expression in patient skin noted with isotretinoin substantiate many previously reported effects of isotretinoin and other retinoids, suggesting a model wherein isotretinoin induces apoptosis leading to reduced sebaceous gland size, decreased expression of lipid metabolizing enzymes and increased matrix remodeling during acne resolution.

And a simple search from Wikipedia which I know is not reliable but worth a shot,

Isotretinoin's exact mechanism of action is unknown, but several studies have shown that isotretinoin induces apoptosis (programmatic cell death) in various cells in the body. Cell death may be instigated in the meibomian glands,[43][55] hypothalamic cells,[56]hippocampus cells[57][58] and—important for treatment of acne—in sebaceous glandcells.[59][60] Isotretinoin has a low affinity for retinoic acid receptors (RAR) and retinoid X receptors (RXR), but may be converted intracellularly to metabolites that act as agonists of RAR and RXR nuclear receptors.[5]

One study suggests the drug amplifies production of neutrophil gelatinase-associated lipocalin (NGAL) in the skin, which has been shown to reduce sebum production by inducing apoptosis in sebaceous gland cells, while exhibiting an antimicrobial effect on Propionibacterium acnes.[61][62][63] The drug decreases the size and sebum output of the sebaceous glands.[64] Isotretinoin is the only available acne drug that affects all four major pathogenic processes in acne, which distinguishes it from alternative treatments (such as antibiotics) and accounts for its efficacy in severe, nodulocystic cases.[65] The effect of Isotretinoin on sebum production can be temporary,[66] or remission of the disease can be "complete and prolonged."[64][67][68]

Isotretinoin has been speculated to down-regulate the telomerase enzyme and hTERT, inhibiting "cellular immortalization and tumorigenesis."[69] In a 2007 study, Isotretinoin was proven to inhibit the action of the metalloprotease MMP-9 (gelatinase) in sebumwithout any influence in the action of TIMP1and TIMP2 (the tissue inhibitors of metalloproteases).[70] It is already known that metalloproteases play an important role in the pathogenesis of acne.[71]



Could any of this possibly permanently affect testosterone and the HPTA?
 
I have looked for info about this before. There are some studies that show that there could be a possible connection.

I was looking into this also as a side to my low t.
I took accutane many years ago, when I finished the treatment and had follow up blood work, my doc mentioned that my estrogen was really low and asked how I felt. At the time I was young and stupid and thought that was a good thing, so I said I feel fine.
For years I never felt right, finally went and got T tested and I was 240s.
 
I should add, I don't know why I have low t, but it's not lifestyle choices, maybe connected to accutane, maybe not.

During my course of treatment (19 years old at the time) I was having issues down in the nether regions. Granted, I had no idea that males could have issues in that regard nor have I ever experienced anything like this.
I had to google something along the lines of "I can't maintain an erection, can't get an erection, ejaculate too quickly, etc)". That's how I discovered the medical condition ED.

Thought it was normal and would go away and didn't think the medication had anything to do with it, and if it did, I figured i would be fully functioning once I stopped taking the medication.
Years have gone by (25 now) and I still continue to have ED. Nor do I have any morning wood.

Of course I went to general physicians, two endocrinologists, and a urologist and got bloodwork done (total test in the 300 range) but they told me I was normal. WTF.

Now I'm taking Hcg and nolvadex (have been taking this for a month now) and although my mood is a little better, I still have ED however and barely any morning wood. Need to get bloodwork soon though to see where I'm at.


It sounds like we might be in the same boat. How old are you if you don't mind me asking. And nice avatar, I was actually looking for an old picture I had in my phone of a buff pikachu to upload as an avatar but couldn't find it lol.

I'm hoping someone who has gotten an MRI after taking accutane or has some extensive knowledge in this area would see this thread and shed some light.
When I have enough money I'll go get an MRI conducted
 
Thanks bro I'll check it out.
I wonder why a major breakout from pct? I'm assuming you discuss it in that thread.
Not really in the thread man, it is pretty common though. You hormones are trying to level back out and your skins produces a bunch of oil so you break out like crazy.
 
Thank you for the response

Wouldn't being on cycle induce a drastic change in the hormonal balance and lead to a surge of sebum/oil?

I would assume you would breakout during cycle as well. Did this occur to you? Or just during pct?? Also, could I ask what you used for pct?
 
Thank you for the response

Wouldn't being on cycle induce a drastic change in the hormonal balance and lead to a surge of sebum/oil?

I would assume you would breakout during cycle as well. Did this occur to you? Or just during pct?? Also, could I ask what you used for pct?
Yes absolutely being on cycle can worsen your acne. Some people it's to high estrogen or high amounts of test.

HCG blast while my ester cleared for 3 weeks. Then 4 weeks clomid/nolva
75/50/50/25
40/40/20/20
 
Been low dose accutane (20-40mg ED) for the last 7 months, penis still gets hard as a rock.

Nice lol. I did take it for 2 years tho and not everyone experiences the issues I've been having. Just wondering if anyone else has the same problems and what they did to correct this besides using exogenous test
 
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