Accutane permanent cure?

[Ghoul]

Anyone know if you can still use accutane after it expires? I bought some with an expiration of 2027. I don’t need it yet, bought it as precaution.

It's one of the few "delicate" meds that loses potency easily (especially heat). It doesn't break down into anything toxic, but expect it to lose strength after expiration. You can take more but then you don't knwk how much you're getting and managing a cycle could be difficult.

 

[Liter O' Test]

so do we take low dose accutane for life or do we switch to taz?
or both?

 

[Ghoul]

so do we take low dose accutane for life or do we switch to taz?
or both?

Their effects are complementary. Taz is better at reducing fine lines, evening tone, while low dose (5mg / d) isotretinoin better at smoothing skin by tightening pores, reducing oil (a good thing unless you have dry skin), giving you a "glow", and over the very long term improving elasticity.

Personally I hate the idea of a topical, but you don't need Taz every day for good results.

 

[Banana Joe]

Their effects are complementary. Taz is better at reducing fine lines, evening tone, while low dose (5mg / d) isotretinoin better at smoothing skin by tightening pores, reducing oil ...you don't need Taz every day for good results.

So how often do I need to apply Tazarotene then?

I am thinking of mixing Tazarotene with a bodylotion, AI says it can be done, and that people do this with Tretinoin cremes, but I am wondering what the best way is to mix the stuff.
Some say you should apply the body lotion first, and then a Tretinoin (or Tazarotene) as a gel.

 

[Ghoul]

So how often do I need to apply Tazarotene then?

I am thinking of mixing Tazarotene with a bodylotion, AI says it can be done, and that people do this with Tretinoin cremes, but I am wondering what the best way is to mix the stuff.
Some say you should apply the body lotion first, and then a Tretinoin (or Tazarotene) as a gel.

Every other day.

Taz directly on skin is more effective, the. moisturizer: But if your skin is sensitive than a thin layer of moisturizer, wait a minute, then apply taz.

 

[adrenalytic]

I'm making my way through all the comments in this thread (currently on page 18) and trying to decide if Accutane is for me.

I tend to get pretty bad chest, back and moderate bicep, stomach acne when I change my test dose. It's weird because I never got it going from natty to 600 mg but going down in dose seems to trigger it. When I came off blast from 600 to 300 mg it came on pretty hard but then once I stabilized it went away. Then later, I had to stop taking test for 2 weeks and it came back again. Now that I'm back on and stable, it clears up.

That being said, it is pretty painful and unsightly when I do have to deal with it and since dose fluctuation is basically part of the BnC lifestyle, I'm wondering if low dose accutane can help me.

The problem is that I already suffer from pretty dry skin in some areas (facial area mostly) and have eczema flair ups now and again. Will accutane exacerbate this? I'm guessing it will. Would low dose be a decent compromise? Would I still be able to reap the pore shrinking benefits and youthful complexion on a low dose? I understand the cumulative dose is lifetime based. Does that mean I can just take it intermittently when changing test doses and, say over years of intermittent use, eventually be able to be immune to acne?

As always, thanks to @Ghoul for putting all this great information out there. Appreciate you.

 

[Banana Joe]

I'm making my way through all the comments in this thread (currently on page 18) and trying to decide if Accutane is for me.
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The problem is that I already suffer from pretty dry skin in some areas (facial area mostly) and have eczema flair ups now and again. Will accutane exacerbate this? I'm guessing it will.
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As always, thanks to @Ghoul for putting all this great information out there. Appreciate you.

My case is pretty similar to yours. Read my previous posts in this thread and the replies to them, it should hopefully partially answer your subject.

 

[adrenalytic]

Follow up question for @Ghoul . Somewhere in the thread you mention adalapene as being a better alternative to tretinoin. Is this still your belief? Any benefit to using both? Or just completely forego the tret in favor of adalapene?

 

[dinfar1337]

Follow up question for @Ghoul . Somewhere in the thread you mention adalapene as being a better alternative to tretinoin. Is this still your belief? Any benefit to using both? Or just completely forego the tret in favor of adalapene?

adalapene is girl skincare.

it kills bacteria. it should have been tried before jumping on accutane

accutane helps guys on gear. because of more gear more oil from sub glands.

do not use them under same time, since you risk drying out too much and drying the pimple into being bloody(trust me on this, whenever i run accutane i get ugly gear acne, reason i ran it so high to just get rid off it fast)

if you're done with accutane u can use it as skincare for spot treatment.

buy some moisteruizer

vitamin e moisteruiser = food grade

cerave or la rocha posay + protecting = pharma grade, absolute top notch

 

[adrenalytic]

if you're done with accutane u can use it as skincare for spot treatment.

I haven't started yet. Was just gonna grab some taz and tret while I was filling my shopping cart with accutane. I'm prob just gonna do the EOD 20 mg protocol to keep sides to a minimum. idc to reach max dose any time soon.

 

[dinfar1337]

I haven't started yet. Was just gonna grab some taz and tret while I was filling my shopping cart with accutane. I'm prob just gonna do the EOD 20 mg protocol to keep sides to a minimum. idc to reach max dose any time soon.

best mindset honestly.

higher dosing accutane side effects are horrendous fuck that shit.

some guys can tolerate it but if you cant you're fucked

 

[adrenalytic]

best mindset honestly.

higher dosing accutane side effects are horrendous fuck that shit.

some guys can tolerate it but if you cant you're fucked

Ya, I read the whole thread and it just doesn't sound like something I want to deal with for a little bacne. I understand some have it worse and it's prob worth it to them but my situation is manageable and only really sucks when I'm titrating doses down. I'm going to grab some 10 mg and 20 mg blister packs just to see how it hits me.

 

[professionaldyel]

So how often do I need to apply Tazarotene then?

I am thinking of mixing Tazarotene with a bodylotion, AI says it can be done, and that people do this with Tretinoin cremes, but I am wondering what the best way is to mix the stuff.
Some say you should apply the body lotion first, and then a Tretinoin (or Tazarotene) as a gel.

started at 2x a week and then 3x a week since July, Traz has been completely pointless and has had the opposite effect. Posted my experience on the other popular bodybuilding forum because the guy who "shilled" it said its the best thing ever.

I'll use it, wake up the next morning and have big nodules of acne where I first applied it. Been in the skin care game long before trying it - its not dry skin related. Ran oral Accutane and I'm aware what a purge is, whatever is going on with the product I received is comical. No fine line/smile line/ wrinkle improvement on face and forehead either.

 

[AllbrandNew]

I have been running Accutane since 9/1 and have been slowly titrating up as I get used to the sides. First step up didn't take long but this second one is rough, and I think I may at my own personal limit for the time, which stinks. Started at 40mg/day and currently at 120mg/day.

I kind of want to take a break or reduce the daily dose for awhile but don't want to take any steps back in my 'treatment'. From what I've seen, the average 1/2 life is about 20 hrs and it takes about 5 days on the long end to clear. Given that, I think bringing the dosage back down would be more reasonable, but I just want to take a break from all the dryness for a bit. I also seem to have developed some mild tinnitus, but only in the last week to 10 days, and given how many other changes I've made in the last month or so, I couldn't even guess if that's related.

Anyone have experience lowering dosages temporarily? Any issues or concerns that are worth considering before I do?

 

[Lifting88]

@Lifting88

"So you use 24mg every week for 1o weeks not 24 mg ed"


Correct. Once a week for 10 weeks, not every day. This ensures you not only kill all demodex on your skin, it's enough time for any eggs on you or in bedding to die or hatch and be killed if they reinfect you.

Of course if you stay in a hotel, or come in close contact with others you're very likely to pick them up again, but doing this protocol once a year resets the population to zero, and after getting them again it takes a while for them to reproduce back up to original levels.

A bonus is this is also sufficient to kill off pretty much every other type of ivermectin susceptible parasite you could get from animals, farms, food, water or the general environment in warm climates.

@Ghoul i got some ivermectin tabs 12mg just wanne try it 1 x per year just to be sure i have no parasiets

But i read normaly take 12mg 1 time and again after 3 weeks

You take 24 for 10 weeks why is this?

 

[Ghoul]

@Ghoul i got some ivermectin tabs 12mg just wanne try it 1 x per year just to be sure i have no parasiets

But i read normaly take 12mg 1 time and again after 3 weeks

You take 24 for 10 weeks why is this?

The proper weight based dose for most uses is 0.2 mg / kg.

So for example, 100kg (220lb) x 0.2 mg =20mg

I simply rounded up to 24mg to keep it simple with 12mg tabs. Ivermectin has proven safe at much higher doses (3x+ that dose given daily for a week) with no indication of more adverse effects).

The number of doses varies based on what it’s being used for. From 1 dose a year as a preventive measure for those who live in high parasite regions, travelers, 2-3 doses (a week apart) for scabies and more resistant parasites and so on. Demodex skin mites were thought to require 2 doses, but recent research showed 6, then later, 8 weekly doses was much more effective. Even at 8 though, a small percentage of patients didn’t see full clearance (but their skin condition significantly improved anyway).

So since it’s safe (if you don’t have a compromised blood brain barrier, which you would probably know about, but stop using if you feel dizzy after a dose, you shouldn’t feel anything), and 8 weeks wasn’t enough to completely eliminate Demodex in some, and strips are 10 tablets, I decided to make my regimen 10 weeks long (2x 12mg tabs / week for 10 weeks). 20 tabs = 2 strips of 12mg Ivermectin used per year.

By targeting Demodex with 10 doses, you also eliminate every other parasite Ivermectin can rid you of.

Of course if you don’t want to go that far, the standard annual single dose is still very protective (But 2 doses, one week apart would be effective against a larger variety of parasites).

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[BigDadd7]

Do you take a gnarly parasite shit after dosing?

 

[Ghoul]

There are many different skin conditions can be caused by Demodex, but are usually minor, aesthetic issues they never get diagnosed. In general, improvement is most often more even skin tone and elimination of minor bumps that aren’t acne.

 

[switchh]

any source for accutane that ships to uk? been to dermatologist, got prescirbed lymecycle for 3 months, then 3 months later some bs creams that did nothing..

 

[adrenalytic]

any source for accutane that ships to uk? been to dermatologist, got prescirbed lymecycle for 3 months, then 3 months later some bs creams that did nothing..

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