advice for a newbie

[olivela]

I'm fairly new to all of this though I have studied/researched for years but still can't decide what I want to run.. I am hear to get everyone's input and to hear from some experienced guys. I am 28 I have dabbled in the past with some winni when I was 20 I liked the look and the small bump in strength I gained and no sides then again I wasnt agressive on my dosage. when I was 24 I used a little test 250 MG weekly 10 weeks and enjoyed it as well, again I know it wasn't much.. now I have been natural for years and Im 5'10 200lbs. And all I want is definition I wouldn't mind getting a little bigger but I am mainly concerned with being ripped haha.. what is some ideas for a cycle.. I only want to run a max of two substances, something that carries lower chance of sides. what should I take on cycle and what's the best pct for the suggested cycles.. I want to keep from shutdown at all costs and anything that will kill libido if possible.. my gf is prego and super horny lol so libido is important. Also little or no water retention and fuck gyno lol... not trying to blow the fuck up just a little definition and strength.. thanks guys

 

[Cipher777]

Did you take any test with the winny?

You can get ripped with pretty much anything if your diet is on point. Find your maintenance calories and subtract 10% to create a deficit. And 30-45 min of cardio 4-5 days a week. Drink a gallon of water a day.

 

[TyroneMoreGains]

Take your face out of your avi.

 

[olivela]

Did you take any test with the winny?

You can get ripped with pretty much anything if your diet is on point. Find your maintenance calories and subtract 10% to create a deficit. And 30-45 min of cardio 4-5 days a week. Drink a gallon of water a day.

No test with it just the tabs.. like I said I was young didn't really know what I was doing but I've been studying this shit a while now and want to jump on a decent cutting cycle but dnt want to go overboard just something moderate for my first go around.. what about winni tabs and some test prop.. or is the test necessary at all?? I've read to run test with stuff like win.

 

[olivela]

Take your face out of your avi.

My mistake I corrected that

 

[Cipher777]

I would definitely run test for your first cycle. I don't personally have any experience with winny, but I would never run any cycle without test.

 

[olivela]

I would definitely run test for your first cycle. I don't personally have any experience with winny, but I would never run any cycle without test.

Enanthate or prop?? I have read that prop creates little water retention what's ur experience or does it matter.. and just a thought but hAve you ever ran sus and what was ur experience..

 

[Cipher777]

It really depends on how long of a cycle you want to run man. I would say enth or cyp, since your probably new to pinning. That way you can do 2 pins a week @ 250mg each. Prop you have to pin every day, or EOD.

 

[Cipher777]

It's going to be your diet that really dictates how much water you retain. Eat clean, whole foods, drink tons of water.

 

[Mr.B66]

Welcome to meso brother!!! FYI if you use aas you WILL be shutdown.
But don't worry about libido that will sky rocket and at your age and with a proper pct you should have little problem with libido after recovery.
Good luck!!

 

[olivela]

test E 250 twice a week and 25mg winni every day 10 weeks.. what would be a recommended pct? And is octherapy necessary or just clean living good..

 

[Mr.B66]

test E 250 twice a week and 25mg winni every day 10 weeks.. what would be a recommended pct? And is octherapy necessary or just clean living good..

I'd run clo at 100/50/50/25/25 so 100mg a day first week 50 mg a day second week and so on and nolva at 40/40/40/20/20 might seem a little over kill but remember recovery is your goal after completion wait one month and get labs done to make sure you have recovered.

 

[Cipher777]

100% necessary. Mr.B66 has got it right there.

 

[olivela]

I'd run clo at 100/50/50/25/25 so 100mg a day first week 50 mg a day second week and so on and nolva at 40/40/40/20/20 might seem a little over kill but remember recovery is your goal after completion wait one month and get labs done to make sure you have recovered.

I'd run clo at 100/50/50/25/25 so 100mg a day first week 50 mg a day second week and so on and nolva at 40/40/40/20/20 might seem a little over kill but remember recovery is your goal after completion wait one month and get labs done to make sure you have recovered.

100% necessary. Mr.B66 has got it right there.

100% necessary. Mr.B66 has got it right there.

Alright sounds good. I've also read you can run serm, ai, and daa on cycle to keep ur shit from being suppressed. The theory being it's the estrogen shutting down ur glands that send signal to testes so shut off the conversion of tests
To est while on cycle an keep ur natural test flowing... the guy claimed to be a dr. But this is the intenet and that shit sounds too good to be true... that's my last question I'm going to order on 7th I wanna have diet in n check before.. wanna get all I can

 

[Cipher777]

You can run aromasin or Arimidex thru your whole cycle, will definitely help avoid any sides too. Daa definitely won't hurt either.
Good luck brother!

 

[olivela]

You can run aromasin or Arimidex thru your whole cycle, will definitely help avoid any sides too. Daa definitely won't hurt either.
Good luck brother!

Thanks man I will do..