Advice on best cycle for lean muscle gains

[jabo]

I am very curious to see how goo Tren is but the sides are kind of holding me back. Deca is really good but I would like to be more Lean and I've head of people taking deca, test, and Tren together but I don't see how effect that can be.

They'll always be that one guy who will say you can but running deca and tren together is a huge no no in my opinion. They are both 19-nor steroids, that's just asking for a lot of sides

 

[RangerDanger]

They'll always be that one guy who will say you can but running deca and tren together is a huge no no in my opinion. They are both 19-nor steroids, that's just asking for a lot of sides

Most definitely. This has been very helpful.

 

[Docd187123]

They'll always be that one guy who will say you can but running deca and tren together is a huge no no in my opinion. They are both 19-nor steroids, that's just asking for a lot of sides

There's much more than one person saying you can. I'm only one. I've ran both together with no added complications over running each separate. Why would one not be able to run 2 19-nors together?

 

[RangerDanger]

There's much more than one person saying you can. I'm only one. I've ran both together with no added complications over running each separate. Why would one not be able to run 2 19-nors together?

What were your results from running both and did you notice any sides?

 

[jabo]

There's much more than one person saying you can. I'm only one. I've ran both together with no added complications over running each separate. Why would one not be able to run 2 19-nors together?

Iv never personally ran both together and I'm positive you know the science behind both compounds better then me but that's all Iv ever been told since starting research on steroids is that it's a no go because they both shut you down hard.

So in your opinion is it ok to run them both at averages doses or did you run them at low doses?

 

[Docd187123]

What were your results from running both and did you notice any sides?

I ran deca at 300mg and tren from 300mg and higher as I got closer to my meet. Results were I got rid of some nagging aches and pains from the deca, I was using low dose mainly for this reason, got leaner, stronger, etc. I noticed the same sides as when I run tren alone. Nothing worse when the two were combined.

 

[Docd187123]

Iv never personally ran both together and I'm positive you know the science behind both compounds better then me but that's all Iv ever been told since starting research on steroids is that it's a no go because they both shut you down hard.

So in your opinion is it ok to run them both at averages doses or did you run them at low doses?

I've read the same things but also started to see many people combine them with great results so my coach and I decided to try it out. I ran the deca low dose bc I primarily used it to help some aches and pains in my joints. The tren I was using to get stronger and remain within a certain weight class.

I'd suggest starting an average dose in the one you have more experience with and low dose on the one you have less experience with. Wait several weeks, assess, and readjust if necessary. It is very helpful, as it always is, to make sure your E2 is in check.

 

[newerest]

Prolactin issues shouldnt happen with a properly dosed ai...right?

 

[RangerDanger]

Deca helped me out a lot with with joint pains and at small doses it wouldn't hurt to use. I always stayed within 100mg per week. What are your thoughts on winstrol?

 

[Docd187123]

Prolactin issues shouldnt happen with a properly dosed ai...right?

Prolactin shouldn't be an issue if E2 is controlled.

 

[Docd187123]

Deca helped me out a lot with with joint pains and at small doses it wouldn't hurt to use. I always stayed within 100mg per week. What are your thoughts on winstrol?

Never used winstrol but I've heard of ppl running it alongside a low dose deca or NPP to help combat the joint issues.

 

[RangerDanger]

Never used winstrol but I've heard of ppl running it alongside a low dose deca or NPP to help combat the joint issues.

Me too if I'm trying to research what's the proper use of using them together if that possible.

 

[RangerDanger]

For example, the most common begginer cycle/stack would be:

Test E. 500mg week 1-12
Dbol. 20-50mg. Week 1-4

Then you'd need an AI for on cycle to counter the estrogen so you don't get gyno.

Then for pct you'd run nolva and clomid but when you take it depends. For example in this cycle you have test E. Test E takes a while to get in and out of your system so you wouldn't actually start your pct until a few weeks after cycle when it's fully out.

That's just an example and there are so many variables when the products changed.

Quick question. I really do like this cycle. Will this give me huge gains? I'm not trying to get a lot bigger. I mainly want to cut. The size I'm at now I think is perfect.

 

[newerest]

Youd definitely gain weight on that cycle

 

[RangerDanger]

So I've finally decided to go with Test and EQ. The reason being is because I will be able to retain my muscle and it will be a gradual increase of muscle plus the sides are very minimum. What I like about this stack is the ability to build better stamina and much more leaner muscle. Also it's almost like Deca but in a much weaker form. Now what would be the best way to start this cycle and how many ml per week of each should I do? I do know for sure I want to front load on EQ the first 2 weeks and then taper down to 600mg per week

 

[newerest]

600 is a good eq dose. Personally i like higher eq, less test.

Something like 500-800 mg eq
And 200-300 eq test e

Should be quality gains

 

[Cml41987]

Man if you said u got great gains off yhose low doses of test and deca why not run the same cycle and just upp the doses a lil... Because even though u t good gains those doses were on the very low end... So if u were to run that cycle again with lets say test at 500mg and deca at like 400mg then u would reall blow up man... No need in trying to complicate things... Just run the test and deca again just this time run higher doses and it will be way more effective.. I think u will love the cycle i laid out above an will see great gains.. Just make sure u have a pct on hand... I would run a standard nolva and clomid pct... Assuming you using test e strt pct 14- 20 days after last pin and run nolvadex at 40mg a day for two weeks then at 20mg a day for another 2 week. 4 total and clomid run at 100mg a day for first two weeks then 50mg a day for another 2 weeks. 4 total.. I think with that u will see optimal recovery!! Good luck!!!