Advice on HPTA restart

[ScruffMcBuff]

I’ve been on self trt for about a year and a half now because the docs in my area are clueless. Prior to this, without the knowledge i have now for a few years i blasted on and off with no pct. I quit cold turkey and total t kept dropping with the lowest of 68. I never truly followed a restart protocol but i would like to at least try now. I’ve read so many different opinions on protocols but am looking for a standard hpta restart. I know i’ll need clomid and hcg but my questions would be what dosage, duration and max length of time for taking each?

 

[The Terminator]

Have you taken any hCG at all in these last few months/years on trt/aas? I would do something like 1000iu 3x/wk, for at least 3 weeks. Me personally for my pct I might stay on hCG for a cpl months possibly, but I’ll prob start lowering the dose. Been on hCG for 4 weeks but ran out and so I the 2nd week I didn’t do any, so basically 3/4 of the last 4 weeks, anyway getting bloodwork in the morning and will determine next steps based on results, if bad I’ll up the hCG, if good I’ll either taper for a bit or just go to serms, 50mg/20mg clomid tamoxifen. Did not like the 100mg/40mg, didn’t have any mental sides but i had this weird feeling with my prostate or something.

So yeah I’d start with 1000iu 3x/wk or eod for at least 3 weeks, if you can check your levels, if response is good you can go onto serms. Or you could do a slower pct like me.

 

[jackhammer85]

Have you taken any hCG at all in these last few months/years on trt/aas? I would do something like 1000iu 3x/wk, for at least 3 weeks. Me personally for my pct I might stay on hCG for a cpl months possibly, but I’ll prob start lowering the dose. Been on hCG for 4 weeks but ran out and so I the 2nd week I didn’t do any, so basically 3/4 of the last 4 weeks, anyway getting bloodwork in the morning and will determine next steps based on results, if bad I’ll up the hCG, if good I’ll either taper for a bit or just go to serms, 50mg/20mg clomid tamoxifen. Did not like the 100mg/40mg, didn’t have any mental sides but i had this weird feeling with my prostate or something.

So yeah I’d start with 1000iu 3x/wk or eod for at least 3 weeks, if you can check your levels, if response is good you can go onto serms. Or you could do a slower pct like me.

not worried about desensitizing, when running hcg for that long ?

 

[The Terminator]

not worried about desensitizing, when running hcg for that long ?

Nah, that’s more of a myth/theory. I’ve read studies where men where given 3000iu eod for months, sometimes >12 months with no mention of “desensitization,” I’ve only read it happening to rats, mice etc. If you count the time I was on trt I’ve been on hCG since last August, with only 3 weeks off but during trt I was on lower doses.

 

[jackhammer85]

Nah, that’s more of a myth/theory. I’ve read studies where men where given 3000iu eod for months, sometimes >12 months with no mention of “desensitization,” I’ve only read it happening to rats, mice etc. If you count the time I was on trt I’ve been on hCG since last August, with only 3 weeks off but during trt I was on lower doses.

okay sure

 

[EscApe]

Differential Effect of Single High Dose and Divided small Dose Administration of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin on Leydig Cell Steroidogenic Desensitization *

This article is very interesting on how low doses of HCG boosts steroidogenesis of leydig cells without descensitization