Aldactone to reduce side effect

[Sampei]

Hello!

I was thinking to have my woman take 50mg aldactone ED during her AAS cycles so that she could reduce the androgenic side effect of AAS.

Few questions came up in my mind. If she take aldactone will the gainz be reduced? I thought the answer is no because we are looking at the androgenic side to be reduced not the anabolic... But will the aldactone reduce total test?

I was thinking on a primo cycle her test production should be suppressed (don't know if for women is the same as men) so if aldactone reduce test even more she will feel like shit (maybe?)

Will the aldactone be safe taken for 10-12 weeks?

I'm very confused on this whole aldactone thing. I have read quite a bit online but very few informations regarding aldactone used in women during AAS cycle (to be expected).

@Dr JIM @Michael Scally MD

 

[Burrr]

Women on BHRT are often prescribed this drug to prevent virilization sides, like acne, hair and clit growth.
It is supposed to be just an anti androgen, but I really dont know how much of an anti anabolic it is as well.
I think I would only use it if your girl started getting those man problems, and start with a small dose of maybe 50mg daily

My wife was prescribed it with her BHRT but it killed the libido boost she got from the therapy. She has not taken it in months, no big clit yet.

 

[Sampei]

Women on BHRT are often prescribed this drug to prevent virilization sides, like acne, hair and clit growth.
It is supposed to be just an anti androgen, but I really dont know how much of an anti anabolic it is as well.
I think I would only use it if your girl started getting those man problems, and start with a small dose of maybe 50mg daily

My wife was prescribed it with her BHRT but it killed the libido boost she got from the therapy. She has not taken it in months, no big clit yet.

Oh noes I love that big clit on cycle. Maybe she can use it in the last few weeks. She usually doesn't get bad sides until week 8. Before that it's just swollen lady parts and that's good. Then she get a bit of cracky voice but always past 8 weeks more or less. So maybe on a 12 weeks cycle she could do 25-50mg if she start feeling bad sides in the last 3-4 weeks.

Ummmm I need to research more.

Thanks for chiming in.

Your wife is 40+ right? menopausal? She does test injection?

 

[Burrr]

Your wife is 40+ right? menopausal? She does test injection?

She's in her 50's done with menopause and gets test pellets.
Test levels are supraphysiological pretty much all the time.

 

[Sampei]

She's in her 50's done with menopause and gets test pellets.
Test levels are supraphysiological pretty much all the time.

I wonder if a non menopausal women could do the same and don't have side effect. I mean low dose test to keep her test level at an healthy level even while cycling and so to keep estrogen at a good level because during cycle usually they go down quite a lot.

Unless if not using test or other aromatise compounds.

What's her test dosage more or less with pellets? What her tt during blood test?

 

[Burrr]

My wife has some younger friends that use the same hormone clinic and just get the test pellets, without the other hormones like estradiol, pregnenolone, etc. I think it's common for girls to get just the test as the get into perimenapause ( very early stages )

Her test levels peak at about 300 ng/dl and drop down to about 50 ng/dl when she is due for new pellets every 4 months.

 

[Sampei]

My wife has some younger friends that use the same hormone clinic and just get the test pellets, without the other hormones like estradiol, pregnenolone, etc. I think it's common for girls to get just the test as the get into perimenapause ( very early stages )

Her test levels peak at about 300 ng/dl and drop down to about 50 ng/dl when she is due for new pellets every 4 months.

So around 30mg week of test e/c more or less? Am i right?

 

[Burrr]

that should equate to about 300 ng/dl

that is just the high end though, it does not stay there for long.

It's been working great for my girl.

 

[Sampei]

that should equate to about 300 ng/dl

that is just the high end though, it does not stay there for long.

It's been working great for my girl.

Do You know if The Younger girl have The same dosage of your girl?

Does your Wife train? Did she see any anabolic effect from that dosage? Does she cycle any AAS?

 

[Burrr]

not sure what dose the younger girls or on, but I bet it's close.

Nope, my girl does not train. she is into hiking and other outdoor activitys but never lifted a weight.
Cant really say I've seen any anabolic benefit for her... body is about the same. She sure is happy and horny though

 

[Sampei]

not sure what dose the younger girls or on, but I bet it's close.

Nope, my girl does not train. she is into hiking and other outdoor activitys but never lifted a weight.
Cant really say I've seen any anabolic benefit for her... body is about the same. She sure is happy and horny though

Yeah my girl was looking for it has to mantain a more stable level and trying to avoid the up and down of cycling but probably not followed by a clinic or a physician is not that easy... just shooting test point blank... we will see if she wants to try for a while a low dose like 20-25mg week and see how she feels after few weeks.

 

[Dr JIM]

Hello!

I was thinking to have my woman take 50mg aldactone ED during her AAS cycles so that she could reduce the androgenic side effect of AAS.

@Dr JIM @Michael Scally MD

And what makes you believe using a potassium sparing diuretic which antagonizes the effects of aldosterone would have such an effect AND by what mechanism.

Great way to increase the complications of AAS, the "off label use" of a drug by novices.

Have you any idea how complicated the use of AAS is by females compared to males!

You can really F UP her hormones with such experimentation and some of the side effects can be PERMANENT!

 

[Sampei]

Aldactone is used by dr to help women that have hirsutism and need to decrease their androgen level. That's why they take aldactone. Reduce hair growth and all those nasty side of high T etc.

That's the idea behind it. If it works for women having the same side effect of a girl using AAS why shouldn't it work?

I'm asking... I know that you can fuck up hormones that's why I'm here!

And what makes you believe using a potassium sparing diuretic which antagonizes the effects of aldosterone would have such an effect AND by what mechanism.

Great way to increase the complications of AAS, the "off label use" of a drug by novices.

Have you any idea how complicated the use of AAS is by females compared to males!

You can really F UP her hormones with such experimentation and some of the side effects can be PERMANENT!

 

[Dr JIM]

Aldactone is used by dr to help women that have hirsutism and need to decrease their androgen level. That's why they take aldactone. Reduce hair growth and all those nasty side of high T etc.

That's the idea behind it. If it works for women having the same side effect of a girl using AAS why shouldn't it work?

I'm asking... I know that you can fuck up hormones that's why I'm here!

And what's the difference (as what diseases are PRIMARILY responsible) bt those aldactone treated patients and someone like your GF who has or should have NORMAL baseline sex hormone levels.

Also the TT ; E-2 ratio is a critical part of anabolism esp in females!

To that end no female should even consider the use of AAS without being followed by a PHYSICIAN who understands WTF he or she (and the patient) is doing!

The use of AAS by females is almost always senseless unless they are ALREADY actively involved in competition OR have strictly defined goals THEY have developed and adhered to for many years.

Otherwise those whom are directing their SO are being selfish and attempting mold said gal into what they believe "looks good" IME What am I saying, ask yourself who is your GF using PEDs for, YOU or HERSELF.

The slope is slippery AND steep IME!

Good luck!

 

[Sampei]

I'm sorry jim but we are really past the: should be followed by a physician. No physician will follow a girl doing AAS. No physician as a knowledge of AAS and how to use them (99% of them at least).

So let's talk about reality.
No I never pushed AAS on her, but she saw me and the change I made, and she started asking. I explained to her at the best I could all the side effect all the risk involved etc. She made tons of research and then decided on her own. Why should I say no to her? I harm my health but she can't do the same? Doesn't seem fair to me

My gf hasn't normal hormonal
Level while doing AAS. They are all fucked up, that's why the idea of using aldactone just when the side effect of high androgen level start appearing.
Women with hirsutism have too high androgen level and then they take aldactone to reduce it and reduce side effect.

We thought it could work the same.

Yes the tt-e2 ratio is very important and that's why we were thinking of adding very low dose test to her AAS cycles so that she could keep having TT and E2 circulating in the body. Most of the AAS used by woman are not aromatising steroids and during a cycle the e2 and Tt easily plummet to very low level. Then spike again after ending the cycle. As you well said... AAS in women are far more complicated.

I can't say no to her (not that I want, I enjoy her being on AAS and well living this lifestyle together) I can only help her doing it "properly" or at least trying.

And what's the difference (as what diseases are PRIMARILY responsible) bt those aldactone treated patients and someone like your GF who has or should have NORMAL baseline sex hormone levels.

Also the TT ; E-2 ratio is a critical part of anabolism esp in females!

To that end no female should even consider the use of AAS without being followed by a PHYSICIAN who understands WTF he or she (and the patient) is doing!

The use of AAS by females is almost always senseless unless they are ALREADY actively involved in competition OR have strictly defined goals THEY have developed and adhered to for many years.

Otherwise those whom are directing their SO are being selfish and attempting mold said gal into what they believe "looks good" IME What am I saying, ask yourself who is your GF using PEDs for, YOU or HERSELF.

The slope is slippery AND steep IME!

Good luck!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

She usually doesn't get bad sides until week 8. Before that it's just swollen lady parts and that's good. Then she get a bit of cracky voice but always past 8 weeks more or less. So maybe on a 12 weeks cycle she could do 25-50mg if she start feeling bad sides in the last 3-4 weeks.

If virilization doesn't occur until post 8 weeks, don't you think it would make more sense for her to end her cycles at 8 weeks rather than add even more drugs just to manage side effects? There's no rule that says cycles must be 12 weeks long.

 

[Sampei]

If virilization doesn't occur until post 8 weeks, don't you think it would make more sense for her to end her cycles at 8 weeks rather than add even more drugs just to manage side effects? There's no rule that says cycles must be 12 weeks long.

Yes thats The plan with short Ester but as You well know... Primo acetate is super expensive and almost impossible to source. Primo enanthate need time to start working. Ending a cycle at week 8 seems kinda useless in my experience. So unless she stay only with orals I don't see how she could reap the potential of a primo cycle if she stops that soon.

We were thinking of short burst of 6 week max on test p. To keep side at a minimum and prop for 6 weeks work well even for men at least it did for me.

It's complicated, almost 90% of women start developing side effect around 8 weeks marks some sooner some a bit later. If you check the logs they all start reporting sides at the end of the cycle.

We are trying to taste the ground and get as many opinions as possible on how to continue this journey she started

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Yes thats The plan with short Ester but as You well know... Primo acetate is super expensive and almost impossible to source. Primo enanthate need time to start working. Ending a cycle at week 8 seems kinda useless in my experience. So unless she stay only with orals I don't see how she could reap the potential of a primo cycle if she stops that soon.

We were thinking of short burst of 6 week max on test p. To keep side at a minimum and prop for 6 weeks work well even for men at least it did for me.

It's complicated, almost 90% of women start developing side effect around 8 weeks marks some sooner some a bit later. If you check the logs they all start reporting sides at the end of the cycle.

We are trying to taste the ground and get as many opinions as possible on how to continue this journey she started

Stick to orals. I suppose she could front load Primo but there's no guarantee it'll help. Primo is overrated anyway, IMO.

 

[GearGodess]

Aldactone and few others are great diuretics. Typically used in show prep as last resort. For using it on cycle, that's just a waste and unnecessary. Especially if she doesn't have a doc who can monitor her throughout. If she's otherwise healthy, why try to screw with it. The whole idea behind AAS is the simple fact of altering hormones for us females to get better gains that we aren't able to achieve naturally.

I wouldn't add it to cycle, she's asking for trouble. If she finds she has severe hair growth like females with hirsutism then get her to a doc who can monitor her potassium levels and ensure she's doing it right... and 50mg is a high dose. 25mg should be more than sufficient and it's not a brief couple weeks treatment but could take 6-12 months for it to work fully and do the reversal or control the unwanted hair growth.

And you can't assume all aas will do the same thing and exactly the same sides. She may react better to some than others.

Maybe she needs to re evaluate her goals and take it from there... she did adrol... what did she like and dislike about it. What were her expectations and what is she wanting to get out of AAS besides insane sex drive.

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[Sampei]

Aldactone doesn't decrease only hair growth... It's ised with women that have hirsutism but it does decrease many of the side of hirsutism they are not only hair growth. Or to be more precise. Women with hirsutism have high test level and total androgen level in their body. Higher then normal person. In fact they have higher libido, easier to build muscle etc. They are closer to men then to women so to speech.
They are like on AAS in a way.

Aldactone is used to decrease total androgen level in their bodies so it does stop hirsutism with time but it does stop many other thing or lower them. Women treated with aldactone mainly get a normal libido after a while sometime they get a even lower then normal, and the list continue. Because they do go from to many androgens to mostly very low androgen.

Now she hasn't crazy hair growth or anything. But she is worried sometime for the voice and in general of the rest of the side especially when using stronger compounds then anadrol.

50mg is not that high of a dose. Many women get prescribed 50mg for 6 months a year or more. Surely in the case she use it start low is a better option just to asses her response to it.

Goal for her are the same for the average girl here on meso. She want to have more muscle and be more lean. It takes time even with AAS. For a woman even more then for a man.

She wants to try different things to have an idea of what works best for what she want to achieve and especially how she react to it.

Edit: stronger compounds then anadrol is not correct because anadrol is not mild at all or better said its not a compound that is mild in gains department as well in side department. Not comparable to anavar for sure.