All-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

[Big Boss]

It seems as though you're presenting this as your own work, save for the author's signature.

You need to provide original source attribution:
Atomini's all-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

if u had read this thread to the end u could simply saw the author's signature .....then plz don't talk shit when u don't want to read the article completely

 

[Big Boss]

There's a lot wrong with this article Bigboss

This article isn't mine as u can see the author's name at the end of article .....i currently read this article and i found it useful then i decided to share it

 

[Big Boss]

1) the guy that wrote the article assumes that bc the anabolic rating of tren is 5x that of test, then a dose of tren provides 5x the results of the same dose of test. False

2) he recommends making dosing decisions based on anabolic ratings of the compounds which is stupid for the same reason #1 above is false.

3) he suggests that BP is unaffected by tren bc it doesn't aromatize. This is false.

4) he suggests tren allows for lean gains which is misleading bc by definition any muscle gain is lean gains since muscle is lean tissue. That's me being very nit picky though I admit.

5) he suggests there is no purpose for progesterone in males. This is false.

6) I have seen no evidence that progesterone promotes prolactin secretion in the pituitary. I've only seen evidence it promotes decidual prolactin secretion in the endometrium. So most likely false.

7) related to #6, this is why there is also no evidence that tren causes prolactin secretion which Antomni also suggests happens. This is false.

8) he suggests there is prolactin induced gyno. This is false.

9) he suggests liver supps can be used as a prophylactic liver treatment. This is false.

10) he suggests HCG use can permanently inhibit the body's ability to produce LH. This is false.

u just said true or false maybe it was better to little explain your opinions about Tren with us .....We would like to know ?........this article came from his 5 years straight experience on Tren with even super physiological dose (800-900 mg) and he did tons of blood work to see the results and then wrote this thread.....have u had any experience with Tren on your own before or it just a reading from Hustler magazine or the Journal of the International Society for Sports Nutrition ?

 

[RoidedUpEbi]

Question about tren,

I can't seem to find a definitive answer on Prolactin control during a tren cycle.

Some suggest caber is not necessary as long as estrogen is controlled, while the latter suggest running low doses of caber weekly.

Is there any harm in just running low doses of caber during your tren cycle even if estrogen is in check?

from personal experience I had my estrogen in check when I upped the tren to 700mg per week (with 200mg prop/pw and 0.5mg pharma adex x2/pw) and developed a pretty big painful lump near my nipple. Started prami and tapered up and within weeks the lump was gone. Was also on pharma raloxifene at this time as well.

 

[Sampei]

I was one strongly against using caber during tren or deca run BUT i have to report that everytime i start using a 19nor and especially tren my nipples get lumps and start hurting a lot evrryfucking time.

Test dose this time has been kept the same as the last 3 month, adex the same, did bloodwork before starting tren and my e2 were perfect and no painful.nipples no lumps.

Started tren, boom painful nipples and i'm using 20mg nolva pharma grade ED and nothing.change. i can bet my ass if i start using caber my nipples go back to normal.

 

[Eman]

u just said true or false maybe it was better to little explain your opinions about Tren with us .....We would like to know ?........this article came from his 5 years straight experience on Tren with even super physiological dose (800-900 mg) and he did tons of blood work to see the results and then wrote this thread.....have u had any experience with Tren on your own before or it just a reading from Hustler magazine or the Journal of the International Society for Sports Nutrition ?

I appreciate the effort you're making to pass along informative information about tren however, please don't get defensive when some of the information is critiqued... It defies the point you wanted the thread to have, valuable and accurate information about tren.

You don't need to have run tren to know some of the points that @Docd187123 made are true, although I can answer for him that he has run tren. Allegedly.

I thought that there was some good information in the article you posted although, I became more cautious about the information when I got to the part about tren and it's anabolic rating compared to testosterone and even moreso when I got into the prolactin parts... Always a controversial topic.

You did cite the authors name however, a better citation would have been to share the link of the article, which I didn't see. That's what Erin meant when he said to provide a citation.

 

[MANWHORE]

I run tren alone all the time but I agree why not add test to be safe..
Just don't blame the gyno on tren
If something else is being added

 

[Docd187123]

This article isn't mine as u can see the author's name at the end of article .....i currently read this article and i found it useful then i decided to share it

I was well aware you hadn't written the article bc I read it a while back and knew who wrote it. If you read my second post, up to #7, you would have known that bc I mentioned Antomni. It seems like you're guilty Of the same thing you criticized Erin over

 

[Docd187123]

u just said true or false maybe it was better to little explain your opinions about Tren with us .....We would like to know ?........this article came from his 5 years straight experience on Tren

All that goes to show is that once again, experience does not equal knowledge unfortunately.

with even super physiological dose (800-900 mg)

ALL doses of tren are supraphysiological doses. Even 1mg of tren is a supraphysiological dose bc the body does not produce tren hence there being no physiological dose.

and he did tons of blood work to see the results and then wrote this thread.....

Unfortunately n=1 with bloodwork is not proof of anything. It's an anecdote. Nevertheless, blood work is important to do and I have had it done as well.

have u had any experience with Tren on your own before or it just a reading from Hustler magazine or the Journal of the International Society for Sports Nutrition ?

Since you want to be snide with this comment I'll do the same. Had m you known anything about scientific journals you'd know JISSN doesn't deal with trenbolone, they deal with other things.

I've had years of experience with tren as well. In fact, I've brewed my own as evidenced here.





I've ran low tren, high tren, low test and low tren, low test high tren, high test low tren, high test and high tren, and probably whatever other combination your mind can come up with. I have neither the time nor the inclination (nor enough Ben and Jerry's Half Baked ice cream) to go into detail on all 17 or 18 points of contention I listed nor do I have the incentive to spoon feed you them since most are easily researched. Pick a few points and I'll expand on them.

For now:

He says prami and caber are prolactin antagonists which means they bind to the prolactin receptor and prevent it from activating. This is pure nonsense. Prami and caber are DOPAMINE agonists bc they bind to dopamine receptors and activate them. Just bc they reduce prolactin in no way, shape, or form suggest they are prolactin antagonists. That's just 101 level stuff that anyone should know, ESPECIALLY after the 5 years of experience.

Then he goes on about HCG permanently preventing LH secretion from the pituitary. There is not one single documented case of this ever happening in the literature even from ppl being on it for 12 months straight at high doses. He probably made a mistake and meant leydig cell desensitization from HCG but then again, that too is a load of crap and has never happened. I'll be generous and let you pick which one he is wrong about: either the incorrect actual assertion he incorrectly wrote or the incorrect assertion he meant to say.

 

[Big Boss]

I appreciate the effort you're making to pass along informative information about tren however, please don't get defensive when some of the information is critiqued... It defies the point you wanted the thread to have, valuable and accurate information about tren.

You don't need to have run tren to know some of the points that @Docd187123 made are true, although I can answer for him that he has run tren. Allegedly.

I thought that there was some good information in the article you posted although, I became more cautious about the information when I got to the part about tren and it's anabolic rating compared to testosterone and even moreso when I got into the prolactin parts... Always a controversial topic.

You did cite the authors name however, a better citation would have been to share the link of the article, which I didn't see. That's what Erin meant when he said to provide a citation.

You are right ....Thank u bro

 

[Big Boss]

All that goes to show is that once again, experience does not equal knowledge unfortunately.



ALL doses of tren are supraphysiological doses. Even 1mg of tren is a supraphysiological dose bc the body does not produce tren hence there being no physiological dose.



Unfortunately n=1 with bloodwork is not proof of anything. It's an anecdote. Nevertheless, blood work is important to do and I have had it done as well.



Since you want to be snide with this comment I'll do the same. Had m you known anything about scientific journals you'd know JISSN doesn't deal with trenbolone, they deal with other things.

I've had years of experience with tren as well. In fact, I've brewed my own as evidenced here.

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I've ran low tren, high tren, low test and low tren, low test high tren, high test low tren, high test and high tren, and probably whatever other combination your mind can come up with. I have neither the time nor the inclination (nor enough Ben and Jerry's Half Baked ice cream) to go into detail on all 17 or 18 points of contention I listed nor do I have the incentive to spoon feed you them since most are easily researched. Pick a few points and I'll expand on them.

For now:

He says prami and caber are prolactin antagonists which means they bind to the prolactin receptor and prevent it from activating. This is pure nonsense. Prami and caber are DOPAMINE agonists bc they bind to dopamine receptors and activate them. Just bc they reduce prolactin in no way, shape, or form suggest they are prolactin antagonists. That's just 101 level stuff that anyone should know, ESPECIALLY after the 5 years of experience.

Then he goes on about HCG permanently preventing LH secretion from the pituitary. There is not one single documented case of this ever happening in the literature even from ppl being on it for 12 months straight at high doses. He probably made a mistake and meant leydig cell desensitization from HCG but then again, that too is a load of crap and has never happened. I'll be generous and let you pick which one he is wrong about: either the incorrect actual assertion he incorrectly wrote or the incorrect assertion he meant to say.

Thanks alot Doc I've got it .

 

[johntt44]

My liver enzymes were good after my 1st tren run too. No need for liver supps, just drink copious amounts of water. My good cholesterol took a hit though!

 

[mt666rm]

Wicked thread. Good to have this info for tren noobs.

I personally do not run AI on any Tren cycle (or any cycle at all), unless nipps get sensitive. 1.0 Arimidex puts it out. That's all. I've got Prami on hand, but never needed it.

When I run it I prefer 50/50 Test/Tren... 500/500 a week is nice (or just run TNT). Add some masteron @500 and Var and you've got a killer summer stac (which I will be on soon).

I LOVE Tren. I handle it very well. I only have to take a break from it after a few months cuz my wife can't handle me!

 

[Morefyah]

I run tren alone all the time but I agree why not add test to be safe..
Just don't blame the gyno on tren
If something else is being added

Would you care to explain why you run Tren all the time without test?

 

[MANWHORE]

Would you care to explain why you run Tren all the time without test?

Because I don't want high estrogen
And I don't want to worry about taking an AE or AI ..
Tren dick is a myth I've been saying this for years

 

[Robfromga]

OP, this is a post sutable for Evo. All you need to do is recommend some N2 guard shit and you're good to go!

 

[Erin]

if u had read this thread to the end u could simply saw the author's signature .....then plz don't talk shit when u don't want to read the article completely

I did see that; that's what "save for the author's signature." means.

However, as presented, it's still inappropriate. You wouldn't see that articles plagiarized in such a manner, nor even grade school work. Copied full texts should be preceded by the source attribution (just like in a news article) - not followed by the author's signature.

 

[Denicnut2427]

Question about tren,

I can't seem to find a definitive answer on Prolactin control during a tren cycle.

Some suggest caber is not necessary as long as estrogen is controlled, while the latter suggest running low doses of caber weekly.

Is there any harm in just running low doses of caber during your tren cycle even if estrogen is in check?

Caber and prami are only used when estrogen is in range and prolactin is high! It seems to get higher prolactin for most with deca…I’ve never seen prolactin too crazy especially with reasonable tren doses…most guys don’t need 100mg per day they can get away with 350-400mg and I’d say only for guys going to compete! The mental sides and overall shit feeling aren’t usually worth it for most guys there are plenty other compounds and stacks! I personally like dhb and many guys do inj superdrol heading into shows! Tren will catch up to you and it’s not really worth it and the devil is in the dose! I hope the regular average gym goer steers away from it …I guess some can handle it but the majority just get more sides and the negative outweighs the positive!

 

[Astartes]

Caber and prami are only used when estrogen is in range and prolactin is high! It seems to get higher prolactin for most with deca…I’ve never seen prolactin too crazy especially with reasonable tren doses…most guys don’t need 100mg per day they can get away with 350-400mg and I’d say only for guys going to compete! The mental sides and overall shit feeling aren’t usually worth it for most guys there are plenty other compounds and stacks! I personally like dhb and many guys do inj superdrol heading into shows! Tren will catch up to you and it’s not really worth it and the devil is in the dose! I hope the regular average gym goer steers away from it …I guess some can handle it but the majority just get more sides and the negative outweighs the positive!

Why do we resurrect AWFUL 6-7 year old threads? Good lord… please don’t do this

 

[readalot]

Why do we resurrect AWFUL 6-7 year old threads? Good lord… please don’t do this

I enjoyed the bump and read the thread. All I could keep thinking of was this...




My echo tech never smiles at me this pleasantly.

Somebody better be watching the screen and manipulating the dials.