Hey everyone. I have been enhanced now for a little over a year. Once I hopped on I got a redness on my neck and under my eyes. I switched brands around and used multiple compounds, esters, and oils with no change. I asked many people had hormones tested and wasn’t sure wtf was going on until one brand I used made my neck turn purple and red rashes started spreading on various parts of my body. The only common ingredients left are BB and BA. I am now looking into home brewing and I am trying to see if it is possible to make anabolics without using these ingredients and if so how I would do that. If anyone has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Allergic to BA or BB
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laclark89
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Get blood work for inflammation, I think the main one is c reactive protien, I think mabe there is some others. If ur really allergic Mabe it will show.
It’s really not a question it’s pretty much a fact. Once I used a certain brand the red neck turned purple and rashes spread all over my body. They went down once I went back to a previous brand though.
Ghoul
Well-known Member
Benzyl benzoate allergy is well documented and could be life threatening.
Benzyl alcohol can be allergy inducing as well, but less serious.
Just search for it.
If you're going to make gear with just BA. rub some on your skin to ensure that's not what you're reacting to.
serious.
Have you considered switching to a transdermal testosterone? You can make a testosterone cream with testosterone base, a gel base like PhloJel Ultra that’s formulated to penetrate the skin and little olive oil.
Transdermals have their own set of issues in terms of dialing them in, but they can be effective for some people.
Here's a formula for a 20% strength of testosterone cream (200mg/mL), but until you know what works for you, I’d recommend making a very small batch (half the amount below) at a 5% strength and adjusting your dose in the smaller 5% increments until you find what works best for you. Once you dial in your dose whether it’s a once or twice a day application, then you can formulate it to the strength you need. You can start out dispensing with a syringe while dialing in your dose and later move to something like a Topi-Click dispenser which dispenses 0.25mL per click once you have your dose dialed in.
phlojelultra dot us is the website for PhloJel Ultra.
Testosterone free base (crystalline) (TFB)
Strength: 20%
Equipment: Slab & Spatula
Procedure for 50 g:
Triturate and levigate 10 g testosterone with 13 ml (11 g) Olive Oil until non-gritty.
Incorporate 40 g PU in divided portions until complete. The olive oil is considered a pharmaceutical necessity and is not included in the total weight.
Comments:
The final product is soft but firm and non-gritty.
Transdermals have their own set of issues in terms of dialing them in, but they can be effective for some people.
Here's a formula for a 20% strength of testosterone cream (200mg/mL), but until you know what works for you, I’d recommend making a very small batch (half the amount below) at a 5% strength and adjusting your dose in the smaller 5% increments until you find what works best for you. Once you dial in your dose whether it’s a once or twice a day application, then you can formulate it to the strength you need. You can start out dispensing with a syringe while dialing in your dose and later move to something like a Topi-Click dispenser which dispenses 0.25mL per click once you have your dose dialed in.
phlojelultra dot us is the website for PhloJel Ultra.
Testosterone free base (crystalline) (TFB)
Strength: 20%
Equipment: Slab & Spatula
Procedure for 50 g:
Triturate and levigate 10 g testosterone with 13 ml (11 g) Olive Oil until non-gritty.
Incorporate 40 g PU in divided portions until complete. The olive oil is considered a pharmaceutical necessity and is not included in the total weight.
Comments:
The final product is soft but firm and non-gritty.
Tried it, perscription. Test level came back at 230. The company said to switch back to injections.
What product did you use? Androgel, or?
What base did the pharmacist use?
Did they use PhloJel Ultras, or Atrevis Hydrogel, or isopropyl mystrate with ethyl alcohol and thickening agent like Carbopol 940 with an emulsifying agent such as Trolamine, or did they simply use glycerin, or?
What strength was your product?
1%, 10%, 20%, or?
Where did you apply it? Site application can make a big difference for some products with up to eight times more absorption for some creams with scrotal application.
There’s a huge difference between the different types of creams and gels out there in terms of how they perform. Absorption and product strength are the keys, and there’s a wide variance in these factors among prescription creams and gels. There are plenty of stories of guys getting low testosterone levels with prescription creams or gels until they switch to a properly compounded product with a base that gives him way more absorption and then they see their numbers change from the 200-300 range to very easily1,000+.
AlexDavis43
Member
I agree. The 5-alpha reductase enzyme is present in the skin, liver and prostate, so it only makes sense that a transdermal would raise DHT significantly more (especially scrotal application of T cream) than an intramuscular injection.
Dr Keith Nichols has some interesting YouTube videos about DHT and testosterone creams with regards to hair loss and BPH, although I’m still not sure what to believe due to my own personal experiences conflicting with some of the things he says in regards to DHT and BPH.
Ghoul
Well-known Member
Some guys are able to embrace balding, but not being able to pee easily is a quality of life killer.
Great_Snake
New Member
We had a guy who had this issue on the lifting Discord I'm active in, he just wrote a couple UGLs an email and most of them agreed to make him testosterone with no BB or BA in it.
Ghoul
Well-known Member
Pretty stupid. It's nearly impossible he's allergic to both, BA allergy is even rarer than BB, and can easily be determined by wiping a little BA onto the skin. Without either he could easily be injecting bacterial laden gear leading to fatal sepsis.
This is a big issues for me.
Dr Keith Nichols and several other doctors say that the androgen receptors in the prostate become fully saturated at very low serum testosterone levels of 250 ng/dL, so anything above 250 ng/dl has no effect on prostate tissue because the receptors are fully saturated, but that’s just not been my experience. If my serum testosterone levels are in the 700s, my PSA will be below 4, but if I raise my serum testosterone levels to 1200+ for 6 months, my PSA will be 8+ and I’ll have problems peeing. Bringing my serum testosterone levels back down again for a few months also brings my PSA back down below 4.
Unfortunately, my healthcare provider ran a PSA test on me when I was running a higher level of T and required me to see a urologist their, whose obviously a man hater. She said and these are exact quotes “No man at any age, especially a man at your age should have a total testosterone level greater than 300 ng/dL at any time”. She also said “We only practice evidence base medicine here and ‘feeling better’ at a higher level is NOT a valid reason for you to take testosterone and boost your levels beyond 300”.
There’s no reasoning with a person like this, and she should not be practicing medicine, but these are the kinds of doctors that are out there and still practicing
Ghoul
Well-known Member
One has to "unlearn" the reverence for doctors many of us learn from childhood.
Sometimes it takes a few hard lessons.
For most the profession is merely a job, doing the minimum required to increase quantity, without regard for quality, of life.
To the very highly paid specialties, you represent a boat payment if they can find a reason to perform a surgery, even if it's not the ideal procedure.
A minority are genuinely passionate, staying on top of the latest advancements, and take your outcome personally. Even if they don't particularly "care" about you, you represent a professional challenge to which they rise.
For primary care I come armed with a list of whatever I need to have treated. which diagnostics I think are necessary, and which medications I believe would be best, and let the reason me out of anything they think I've got wrong.
For specialized care I generally seek out doctors affiliated with a university as teachers, or especially, those who are active researchers.
iris
Well-known Member
What I have encountered kind of matches your experience.
When it comes to hormonal issues, the lack of up to date knowledge and the reluctance to engage with treatment was shocking, even amongst so called specialists.
I thought we had it bad with regards to female health and for you guys it was better or easier. Not so, for you.
Being dismissed and undermined when you go see a medical practitioner is a total downer.
What are you going to do now? Have you seen someone else?
That all happened to me many years ago. I learned early on that endocrinologists were the worst doctors to see for TRT based on my own experiences. I saw 5 different Endo’s when I started my journey 15+ years ago and they were all horrible. The urologists I saw weren’t good either, and several GP’s were horrible too. After much turmoil and reading treatment guidelines from the society of endocrinology and metabolism and other guidelines for urologists and participating in forums related to testosterone, I found a doctor who gave me access to their A4M course they were going through and that really opened my eyes, along with some conversations I had with the late Dr John Crisler, so now I always recommend people to A4M doctors for their TRT needs.
After losing my two good prescribing doctors well ~14+ years ago (one to a heart attack and the other from a motorcycle accident), I took matters into my own hands via home brewing while ordering my own labs and never looked back.
Except for my PSA being occasionally high as well as my hemoglobin sometimes being high due to secondary erythrocytosis which most doctors don’t seem to understand, the occasional but rare cholesterol issues from a blast, and my LVH which was there well before I ever started any androgens, my PCP doctors are always very happy with my bloodwork and praise me for being in great shape.
It’s been a great journey and very enlightening, but I wish I didn’t have to go through it all to get to this point.
iris
Well-known Member
I bet, it must have been tough, going through all that.
But amazing work for how smart and proactive you have been about it and for what you have achieved.
Hope you are back home with your wife, now, and you are feeling good, after being ill whilst travelling.
Will PM you at some point.
I have a question I am sure you will be able to answer, if you don't mind.
But no rush. In due time.
And, most of all, when you are back safe and rested.
Thanks for the reply.
A big hug to you + other 1/2
