AM I TAKING TOO MUCH??

[Juicedhead]

Na no joke, if it turned out to be equal to 1gram of test then it would of been to much of a jump compared to my previous cycle dosages.

One thing i try do is use as little as i can untill i dont see results, the last time i did 500 of test and 100 of tren igot good results and i was slacking when it came to diet and training, so i didnr up the dose as i reckon i could get better than last time off the same dose,maybe one day i will be using alot more but that wont be untill ive used lower doses first.

How much you using then?

My first cycle was 500mg test e. I’ve done probably 7-8 cycles and have gone as high as almost 3 gs Total. I keep test at about 1g and then other anabolics plus gh. I was also 260+ when I was doing that. I guess it just depends on your goals if your trying to increase performance and strength without gaining a lot of weight that might be a reason to never increase. Gear is just like training and food. The bigger u get the more you need but to a point. It just depends how your body handles everything and how long of a period you do it over. Again just depends on goals. If your not trying to be a massive bodybuilder then it would be different. But if you are trying to be a massive bodybuilder your leaving a lot on the table when you use that low of a dose for your cycles. I feel like you made the thread for guys to say “oh yea dude your using steroids safely good for you” cuz clearly you know that’s not too much gear I mean come on man that’s obvious…

 

[thatguy]

Yea definitely agree but at that low of doses you will notice a dramatic increase in results. Considering the guy has done 9 cycles, I would think it’s time to do some more gear..

True, true.

 

[ZKJ]

My first cycle was 500mg test e. I’ve done probably 7-8 cycles and have gone as high as almost 3 gs Total. I keep test at about 1g and then other anabolics plus gh. I was also 260+ when I was doing that. I guess it just depends on your goals if your trying to increase performance and strength without gaining a lot of weight that might be a reason to never increase. Gear is just like training and food. The bigger u get the more you need but to a point. It just depends how your body handles everything and how long of a period you do it over. Again just depends on goals. If your not trying to be a massive bodybuilder then it would be different. But if you are trying to be a massive bodybuilder your leaving a lot on the table when you use that low of a dose for your cycles. I feel like you made the thread for guys to say “oh yea dude your using steroids safely good for you” cuz clearly you know that’s not too much gear I mean come on man that’s obvious…

Fair enough but going from 500mg to 3000mg in 7-8 cycles is way to much of a jump for me, do you not wonder if you could of made similar gains without using so much?
I dont want to be a massive bodybuilder but as i want to be quite big im aware i will have to go up abit and im willing to do that. But only after i stop seeing results im happy with.

And as for posting this to get people to tell me how sensible i am, i couldnt give two fucks about peoples opinons on me.i dont use gear safely for other people its for my own health.

Like ive explained my reason for posting was, if tren is 5x a strong as test then that would equal 1gram and i wouldnt of jumped from 625 test to a 1000 test, i would of went to 750mg of test then 875 then 1000mg. And i would of used each of those doses for multiple blasts untill i feel i need more, maybe when i got abit bigger.
but if like someone said tren is more like 3x as strong then it would only be around 800mg and thats not too bad of a jump.

You got any pics on here i wouldnt mind seeing your results?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Potency of the drug has nothing to do with the total amount of AAS required to grow. You think it in the wrong way.

Trestolone is at least x10 more potent than testosterone.
That would mean 300mg of trestolone would bring the same gains as 3g of testo.
This has nothing to do with reality. It doesn't work that way unfortunately.

 

[Juicedhead]

Fair enough but going from 500mg to 3000mg in 7-8 cycles is way to much of a jump for me, do you not wonder if you could of made similar gains without using so much?
I dont want to be a massive bodybuilder but as i want to be quite big im aware i will have to go up abit and im willing to do that. But only after i stop seeing results im happy with.

And as for posting this to get people to tell me how sensible i am, i couldnt give two fucks about peoples opinons on me.i dont use gear safely for other people its for my own health.

Like ive explained my reason for posting was, if tren is 5x a strong as test then that would equal 1gram and i wouldnt of jumped from 625 test to a 1000 test, i would of went to 750mg of test then 875 then 1000mg. And i would of used each of those doses for multiple blasts untill i feel i need more, maybe when i got abit bigger.
but if like someone said tren is more like 3x as strong then it would only be around 800mg and thats not too bad of a jump.

You got any pics on here i wouldnt mind seeing your results?

If you’ve never used tren I’d go with ace. I’d do 500mg test maybe more and then 300mg tren ace. But if your wanting to get a lot of size test will eventually need to get up there around 1 gram. And I’m just trying to figure out how you don’t know much about dosages after doing 9 cycles. Did you ever research dosages ?

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Your body tends to get used to gear aswell dont it? and needs more gear to get similar results so its always good to not increase dose untill you've gotten everything out of it, save on money and negative health sides, i brew my own gear though so its quite cheap really. Its mainly the health side of things.

Your androgen receptors don't desensitize the same way that opioid receptors do. But to progress further past your genetic potential requires progressively increased stimuli. I.E
higher doses.

So, you'd need more gear to go from 200 to 220 than from 180 to 200. But that's not due to desensitization. Your body just needs more as you get farther from your natural potential. And taking more than you need wont inhibit future gains, but it will bring unnecessary sides and possibly impact long term health.

 

[Juicedhead]

Your androgen receptors don't desensitize the same way that opioid receptors do. But to progress further past your genetic potential requires progressively increased stimuli. I.E
higher doses.

So, you'd need more gear to go from 200 to 220 than from 180 to 200. But that's not due to desensitization. Your body just needs more as you get farther from your natural potential. And taking more than you need wont inhibit future gains, but it will bring unnecessary sides and possibly impact long term health.

This exactly

 

[malfeasance]

So you are 6'1" and 195 pounds. Decent build and lean. Looks like good structure but hard to tell since there is only one pose in all of the photos and it does not show back/legs.

You ran 500mg testosterone and 100mg of tren last time, and you are proposing to run the same thing again.

I would suggest doing something entirely different this time around.

750 test and 325 deca for 15-20 weeks, with anadrol used for the last 4. Increase calories from your last cycle and let your bodyfat climb a little. Minimum protein 300. Fats 100. Carbohydrates 600-1000, depending on the day and bodyfat levels. It would be ok to carb cycle, too, within that range.

I predict that you would add some very solid size if you follow that hormone and food recommendation, depending on how intensely you are training, of course.

You don't show your legs, and I am guessing that your legs are responsible for why you weigh only 195 at your height with a decent amount of muscle on your upper body. Unless my assumption is wrong, use this cycle to grow the legs and make a massive change in that area. Make sure to hit all the uncomfortable lifts that work at adding size to the areas on your body that count most for visual impact on stage, like barbell rows, squats, deadlifts or rack pulls from below the knee.

 

[Juicedhead]

Yea you have a good build for sure if you up the test add some deca and an oral and up the good you will put on a lot of good quality muscle don’t be afraid to up the cals a lot more tho

 

[ZKJ]

Potency of the drug has nothing to do with the total amount of AAS required to grow. You think it in the wrong way.

Trestolone is at least x10 more potent than testosterone.
That would mean 300mg of trestolone would bring the same gains as 3g of testo.
This has nothing to do with reality. It doesn't work that way unfortunately.

Im not thinking of it as it equals the same gains but rather equals the same dose and harm on the body? If it even makes sense lol i dont tend to add dbol to the total, like add 30mg x 7 to the 500mg of test, ive only been doing it with the test and tren as i thought tren was similar to test but just 5 times stronger,so you wouldn't just start using 500mg of tren because that would be like 2.5 grams of test. Ill just do as i usually do and increase the tren and test slowly together, or raise the tren n keep the test the same

 

[ZKJ]

So you are 6'1" and 195 pounds. Decent build and lean. Looks like good structure but hard to tell since there is only one pose in all of the photos and it does not show back/legs.

You ran 500mg testosterone and 100mg of tren last time, and you are proposing to run the same thing again.

I would suggest doing something entirely different this time around.

750 test and 325 deca for 15-20 weeks, with anadrol used for the last 4. Increase calories from your last cycle and let your bodyfat climb a little. Minimum protein 300. Fats 100. Carbohydrates 600-1000, depending on the day and bodyfat levels. It would be ok to carb cycle, too, within that range.

I predict that you would add some very solid size if you follow that hormone and food recommendation, depending on how intensely you are training, of course.

You don't show your legs, and I am guessing that your legs are responsible for why you weigh only 195 at your height with a decent amount of muscle on your upper body. Unless my assumption is wrong, use this cycle to grow the legs and make a massive change in that area. Make sure to hit all the uncomfortable lifts that work at adding size to the areas on your body that count most for visual impact on stage, like barbell rows, squats, deadlifts or rack pulls from below the knee.

Cheers man that sounds like solid advice, i might try that. And my legs arent the best, especially from the back (hamstrings)
But there not that small in comparison to the rest

 

[malfeasance]

If you do, let us know how it goes. I think you would be amazed at the transformation you could make in just a few months.

 

[malfeasance]

I should add that being as lean as you are would be a perfect place from which to really grow - you just have to put your plan together to grow.

 

[Plate Smacker]

I got up to 100mg ED Tren A within 8 weeks my first Tren A run. With Test E only.
Then next Tren run was Tren E. Ended at 800mg/wk around week 15.

Both on a 1.2g of Test E.

I only run Tren E now, with Test E.
My sweet spot ending blast is:
720mg Test E
600mg Tren E

The point is, I think your doing fine.
Tren in real life application isn't 5x stronger than Test. However, it makes the blast 5x better.

I use Tren E for Bulking or Cutting.

Honestly, though, lately prefer
600 Test E
400 Tren E

Now for something that may seem ass backwards, but it's how I operate:
With 400 Tren E I don't get the hit on my cardio abilities. I'm not out of breath and can work out more effectively.

So 600 Tren E, I use for Bulking because I do more of Rest Pause and Cluster Sets. Heavier lazy work. Using Rest Pause and Cluster Sets to get my volume up.

I get ready for summer with 400mg Tren E, because I can do more consecutive reps, giant sets, drop sets.... and not be out of breath.

Wanna know something else. I use Anadrol for last 4 weeks of my summer blast, while getting more shredded. The Anadrol keeps me strong and feeling pumped, when I slightly cut my carbs. Then when I drop the Anadrol and the water retention falls away. Bam. Easy shreds.

So as you can see, some of us are somewhat unconventional in our sculpting methods. You just have to find what works.
I experimented alot, and found what worked best for me.

You got this.

 

[Theworm]

Reasonable doses, cheers!
I thought it was going to be a 20 year old asking about a gram of test and tren.