Am I the only Female?

[Deacon]

Hey...I noticed you are a mod at Outlaw. Are you talking about when you heard this:

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/printthread.php?t=5081

Is that what you mean? You've read my work, because it was good enough to be reposted where you are a mod and tons of other places? Is that what you heard?


I guess you have me at a disadvantage....I've never heard of you...nothing you've ever written or said has been reposted anywhere I've been.

messing with Grizz huh? bad idea on this board - and I wont even charge to tell you that

 

[Grizzly]

And if it makes you feel any better, until you were brought over here by admin, I'd never heard of you either. In fact, that's what I found to be rather humorous in your insistance that ol' boy wasn't "known" enough.

 

[hooker]

LOL There it is. The wonderful personality to which I was referring. Mainly in regards to a certain Admins newfound dislike of you and, from a personal perspective, to your advice to a source on who not to front due to the fact that he wasn't high profile enough for your tastes.

But don't worry, it's alright to be an asshole. If it wasn't, I'd have been kicked off of here a long time ago.

I get paid by that admins boss. Much more than he does.

Yeah. He wanted a front because he is a mod and vet on like a million boards. Too bad they are all 2k member boards with all the same members and mods, for the most part. I couldn't reccomend that he be fronted based on that. It's not a good buisness move.

Nice. I'll be sticking around then...

 

[hooker]

And if it makes you feel any better, until you were brought over here by admin, I'd never heard of you either.

You don't read the Edu posts at the board you mod at? Thats kind of odd...my work's shown up there...at least once, as I linked you to.

Sorry...the majority of information on the AAS boards on the 'net just isn't impressive. It's actually kind of silly, mostly. Members are cool as hell, on the boards...it's just the Mods/Vets that are kind of goofy, IMO. Not all...but most..

 

[Deacon]

But really even a cursory understanding of the derivation of both of those steroids would reveal that either can enlarge a woman's clitoris. Generally the enlargement is just a swelling, and often goes away. But your post reveals a general lack of understanding of DHT and it's function in the body, or possibly the origin of those steroids (or both). I was just disputing a claim you made, and when asked for proof, I provided it, in the form of studies and personal experience.



and that being the one fitness goddess you bopped right? but in the very next paragraph you go on to say you are not comfortable advising women -

well I have started a new post for Buffhottie with articles written by some very knowledgable people when it comes to females and AAS - she can look them over and decide for themselves

and IMO primo and var still does not enlarge the clit to the extent of other drugs and some women have no problem with it at all - that is what I originally meant - perhaps your correction was indeed valid in the most literal sense of the word - but in general? I am not so sure.

 

[Deacon]

ah Grizz dont you know how to read?

 

[Grizzly]

You don't read the Edu posts at the board you mod at? Thats kind of odd...my work's shown up there...at least once, as I linked you to.

Sorry...the majority of information on the AAS boards on the 'net just isn't impressive. It's actually kind of silly, mostly. Members are cool as hell, on the boards...it's just the Mods/Vets that are kind of goofy, IMO. Not all...but most..

No, not really. Personally, I find the info at meso to be the best by far.(that in the articles section) I also don't find the need to delve into large complexities of chemical usage. I prefer to immerse myself in the training and nutrition forums/aspects of the boards/bodybuilding. In fact, I usually only read the anabolic section at outlaw when I'm bored.

I agree about a lot of mods. Seems to me that the majority are just glorified phone books of source names. I don't read the classifieds, either, 'ceptin' the once or twice a year I may buy something. I would like to see mods who post more and post useful information. But that's not how it is many times. Oh well, I don't own the boards, so the owners can choose who they may.

 

[hooker]

But really even a cursory understanding of the derivation of both of those steroids would reveal that either can enlarge a woman's clitoris. Generally the enlargement is just a swelling, and often goes away. But your post reveals a general lack of understanding of DHT and it's function in the body, or possibly the origin of those steroids (or both). I was just disputing a claim you made, and when asked for proof, I provided it, in the form of studies and personal experience.



and that being the one fitness goddess you bopped right? but in the very next paragraph you go on to say you are not comfortable advising women -

well I have started a new post for Buffhottie with articles written by some very knowledgable people when it comes to females and AAS - she can look them over and decide for themselves

and IMO primo and var still does not enlarge the clit to the extent of other drugs and some women have no problem with it at all - that is what I originally meant - perhaps your correction was indeed valid in the most literal sense of the word - but in general? I am not so sure.

Ok. But telling a girl they won't do it...is just wrong, when it certainly can and often will, and actually are derived from the hormone responsible for it...I think is misleading. I took a position and defended it. Your reply was just to say I was wrong, without any scientific support (as was Grizz's). And then the thread got out of hand, IMHO.

I tend to take offence when people say something which is unsupported, and just assume that I'm wrong without providing evidence. As I said, this is how I make my living (writing about steroids, performance enhancement, etc...), and I don't post unless I researched the topic first. People always say "You always think you are right!" to me...but really, I just don't speak unless I have already done the research and the preponderance of evidence supplies me with a cogent position. I'm not always right, but I endeavor to always have the position on any topic, that is supported by the most scientific data (and anecdotal evidence too, when possible). Thats how I work...

Right. I'm not comfortable advising women. I am working with a few (*gratis), but wouldn't presume to give out advice openly when I'm not contacted for it. However, when I see "XYZ won't enlarge your clit" and I know that advice to be incorrect, then I have to step in.

The women I have/are working with were going to engage in chemical use regardless...but at least I can maybe help them, if thats a road they are determined to take.

I'm currently writing a piece with some of the top women available on the boards; top fitness competitors, trainers, coaches, and bodybujilders. Until I know everything possible, it's not going to be published. I have taken tons of chances with my own body, but will not do it with a womans body.

Maybe thats the damn Womens Studies Minor I got in College talking...

Who knows?

But I just don't like misinformation, in any form, and especially when it's to women...even when the intent is noble. Noble intent doesn't make a girls vocal chords go back to normal when she starts sounding like Barry White...

 

[Grizzly]

Your reply was just to say I was wrong, without any scientific support (as was Grizz's). And then the thread got out of hand, IMHO.

There's a scientific test for pompous asshole? I thought it was a matter of character judgement. Hmmm, you learn something new everyday.

 

[Bob Smith]

Well my dick is bigger than your dick. And my dad can beat up your dad. Seriously guys, grow up.

 

[hooker]

There's a scientific test for pompous asshole? I thought it was a matter of character judgement. Hmmm, you learn something new everyday.

Generally it's how many boards you have "Mod@" and "Vet@" in your sig, I believe, scientifically speaking. It's a directly proportionate and linear curve, as can be seen in the following equation:

Mod@ + Vet@ x #of Boards = Pompous Asshole Rating (PAR)
(According to Sig)

Based on the lasted research.

 

[Bob Smith]

lol, now thats funny!

 

[Grizzly]

Interesting. Seems to hold true. I can't think of anyone with a bigger ego or love of himself than me. And though you may try, really, really, really, hard, I don't think you can beat me. But you're coming really close. Congrats.

 

[Deacon]

I still do not agree that posting a bunch of scientific studies helps anyone - in fact it only muddies the waters

for every study you post saying one thing there is at least one more showing the opposite - it just depends on which study you want to post

 

[liftsiron]

I sure appreciate all the input. Really I do. I am confused now. I went to another board where some woman do hangout although the posts are not nearly as frequent (1 a month vs. several a day on this board) and one girl said (in her post ) that Anavar caused irreversable sides like the facial hair, hoarse voice etc. She mentioned several other drugs so I couldn't tell if she had taken the Anavar with something else or not, but she blamed the Anavar.
The Anavar comes up a lot. I see that many also do the Primobolin Depot and the Winny. One gal said Winny put like 30# on her. Is that possible? I don't want 30# of muscle to be honest. 10 or 12# would be nice
I also wouldn't mind coming in tighter. When I try to come in super lean, I feel I risk looking stringy and lose my shape. I am Nat. Level, no pro-card yet material. I aspire to a body like Monica Brandt. A wee bit muscular for Figure but still very much a girl. I have really small bones. esp for my height (5'5") which helps my muscles show up but I do not have the 'presence' that some of the bigger girls have. Some judges like it (Small joints, somewhat leaner) and score me high, some don't and score me behind the bigger boned gals. Point being. I need more shape (ie: muscle) to make up for the small frame. I think often I am head to head with them on shear muscle but they *look* bigger because of the bigger bones. Also some of the gals that are passing me up to snag their pro card are clearly leaner with striations etc. I know that it's Figure and the guidelines say "moderate muscle, not too lean.. blah,blah" but it's BS cuz I know what those judges are looking for. Its the body of the old-school bodybuilder with a new name 'Figure'
I want to come in 10# heavier and even leaner.
I have said that like 6 times. I am babbling.
I'll check back later. Thanks so much
BH

I don't blame you to be confused, normally anavar solo is the very wisest choice for a female, it is mild enough to be administered to children without any drastic sides, most noticable side effect is a drop in HDL's. Often winstrol is sold to unsuspecting women as anavar because of the huge price difference. Also a poly drug user cannot pinpoint a single drug as a cause for any undisired side effect.

IMO primo is the second wisest choice in regard to results vs. risks. All steroids may cause enlargement of the clt, as well as unwanted side effect acne, deepening of the voice etc. But experience has shown me that anavar and primo in that order are the safest. Someone mentioned durabolin which gives great results with a slightly higher risk, why durabolin is perferred over deca by most women is because durabolin is out of the system very quickly as opposed to deca.

With low dose steroid use, including testosterone, it is extremely unlikely that you will develop muscles that look like a man, that takes very high dose aas use by females. But even at low dose you run the risk of some facial hair and a deeper voice.

 

[Bob Smith]

I would like to just examine someone who has done it for awhile. You know, get up close and look for stubble. Pay close attention to the voice, get out the surgical gloves and just take a peek at how the downstairs is holding up.
Ask interview questions like "Are you still attracted to men?"

Ill bring the video camera.

 

[Beefy]

Ok. But telling a girl they won't do it...is just wrong, when it certainly can and often will, and actually are derived from the hormone responsible for it...I think is misleading. I took a position and defended it. Your reply was just to say I was wrong, without any scientific support (as was Grizz's). And then the thread got out of hand, IMHO.

I tend to take offence when people say something which is unsupported, and just assume that I'm wrong without providing evidence. As I said, this is how I make my living (writing about steroids, performance enhancement, etc...), and I don't post unless I researched the topic first. People always say "You always think you are right!" to me...but really, I just don't speak unless I have already done the research and the preponderance of evidence supplies me with a cogent position. I'm not always right, but I endeavor to always have the position on any topic, that is supported by the most scientific data (and anecdotal evidence too, when possible). Thats how I work...

Right. I'm not comfortable advising women. I am working with a few (*gratis), but wouldn't presume to give out advice openly when I'm not contacted for it. However, when I see "XYZ won't enlarge your clit" and I know that advice to be incorrect, then I have to step in.

The women I have/are working with were going to engage in chemical use regardless...but at least I can maybe help them, if thats a road they are determined to take.

I'm currently writing a piece with some of the top women available on the boards; top fitness competitors, trainers, coaches, and bodybujilders. Until I know everything possible, it's not going to be published. I have taken tons of chances with my own body, but will not do it with a womans body.

Maybe thats the damn Womens Studies Minor I got in College talking...

Who knows?

But I just don't like misinformation, in any form, and especially when it's to women...even when the intent is noble. Noble intent doesn't make a girls vocal chords go back to normal when she starts sounding like Barry White...

Purdy Cullers

 

[buffhottie]

Thanks for all the help and the new thread with all the info. I have to print it out and read it several times. This is all new to me. I am totally ignorant about this stuff.
BH