An answer and solution to cloudy Tren A

[penche]

I have some like this. Still safe to use right?

I’d hate to say yes and then you get a knot. I’d try to refilter it at the very least.

250 in oven don't break tren??

Not for 2 minutes. Gotta vent the vial also

 

[Holidaypay]

I’d hate to say yes and then you get a knot. I’d try to refilter it at the very least.

Not for 2 minutes. Gotta vent the vial also

I tried heating mine on a hotplate when it was cloudy I did it a couple times an every time it clouded back up I did clear up a little more but not perfect I added more solvent thinking the raws may be overdosed an my 10% extra made it to strong to hold but even the solvents didn't help it got considerably darker so I didn't want to keep doing it an destroy the hormone the raw were kept in a dark closet in a coffee can with rice in the can any idea what could help clear mine up

Added more gso an brought it down from 100 mg to 80 an still didn't help 2%20% recipe

 

[penche]

I tried heating mine on a hotplate when it was cloudy I did it a couple times an every time it clouded back up I did clear up a little more but not perfect I added more solvent thinking the raws may be overdosed an my 10% extra made it to strong to hold but even the solvents didn't help it got considerably darker so I didn't want to keep doing it an destroy the hormone the raw were kept in a dark closet in a coffee can with rice in the can any idea what could help clear mine up

Added more gso an brought it down from 100 mg to 80 an still didn't help 2%20% recipe

You might have to transfer over the Tren into a beaker and let it sit for a week or more unmoved. After that time there’s a good chance the cloud will settle to the bottom. At that point you use a large syringe and extract the top layer that is not as cloudly and then refilter into sterile glass.

Yea your recipe is fine maybe a little high on B.B. but that’s okay. Tren raws with moisture are pain in the ass. Just gotta refilter best as possible before use if it’s got trapped moisture.

 

[Holidaypay]

You might have to transfer over the Tren into a beaker and let it sit for a week or more unmoved. After that time there’s a good chance the cloud will settle to the bottom. At that point you use a large syringe and extract the top layer that is not as cloudly and then refilter into sterile glass.

Yea your recipe is fine maybe a little high on B.B. but that’s okay. Tren raws with moisture are pain in the ass. Just gotta refilter best as possible before use if it’s got trapped moisture.

Ok thanks ill give it a try

 

[Dr JIM]

As you can see in the above photos the cloudy Tren problem seems to be affecting a lot of people. Three brews with Tren a myself and two were cloudy. First brew was perfect. Second one I posted about was a disaster. This one started out cloudy but I was able to save it. The problem is moisture. However it’s not just moisture in the raws, it’s everywhere but I think it’s the glassware mostly. I had cleaned my glassware before brewing and even though it had dried it still retained moisture that I didn’t see until I reheated a different media bottle and saw moisture inside. I started out with my raws and solvents and added my heated oil. Both beakers had been cleaned and dried but I think there was still moisture around the glass and the environment. It clouded up after the oil and as you can see it looked like shit. It was them that I noticed moisture in a media bottle as I heated it up for something else. Thinking that moisture was the problem I began to stir and heat the unfiltered beaker. Never going above 200 and pulling off the heat around 180-190. I did this for a bout 15 min. On and off the heat and constantly stirring. It began to clear so I then filtered very warm into a very warm media bottle. As you can see it cleared up and looks mint. I think Tren a raws are very moisture sensitive and just need a little extra love when brewing.

Moisture ?

Haven’t you heard water and oil don’t mix?

Your theory doesn’t hold water
fella, bc water SHOULD evaporate
at those temps used to brew AAS.

What is your brew temp and duration?

 

[Dr JIM]

Would be dangerous pinning it if it's a bit cloudy?

Not if water was the cause of
what would amount to an emulsion.

 

[Thegreek]

Moisture ?

Haven’t you heard water and oil don’t mix?

Your theory doesn’t hold water
fella, bc water SHOULD evaporate
at those temps used to brew AAS.

What is your brew temp and duration?

First of all don’t talk to me like I’m an asshole. Second of all my temps are in the first post that you quoted but clearly didn’t read. Thirdly my so called theory is actually pretty sound. Here are a couple of pics for you to prove my so called theory. The first pic is safflower oil and BB. It’s nice and clear and in a solution. The second pic is the same mix with a touch of water and wouldn’t you know its mixed but cloudy. Just like the tren was. Oh and by the way Dr. no shit water should evaporate at those temps that’s why my cloudy tren turned into clear tren after I gave it some time mixing with heat which was clearly outlined in my first post that you quoted and again didn’t read. So thank you for chiming In with a post that offered zero help or any contributing information other than oil and water don’t mix and water evaporates. The 6th grade science lesson was a great addition to this thread.​

 

[Dr JIM]

Try looking up the definition of a supersaturated solution!

Next obtain a degree in chemistry
“bro”.

 

[Holidaypay]

You might have to transfer over the Tren into a beaker and let it sit for a week or more unmoved. After that time there’s a good chance the cloud will settle to the bottom. At that point you use a large syringe and extract the top layer that is not as cloudly and then refilter into sterile glass.

Yea your recipe is fine maybe a little high on B.B. but that’s okay. Tren raws with moisture are pain in the ass. Just gotta refilter best as possible before use if it’s got trapped moisture.

Hey bud I went an grabbed the vials I had from the cloudy brew an there clear now but it looks like whatever made them cloudy is stuck to bottom its the brew from a thread I made called lmc tren ace brew problem

 

[penche]

Hey bud I went an grabbed the vials I had from the cloudy brew an there clear now but it looks like whatever made them cloudy is stuck to bottom its the brew from a thread I made called lmc tren ace brew problem

Yup seen this several times from different raw dealers lately. More likely the residue will stick to the bottom of the glass. Id refilter using a syringe filter if you have one

 

[Holidaypay]

Yup seen this several times from different raw dealers lately. More likely the residue will stick to the bottom of the glass. Id refilter using a syringe filter if you have one

Ok thanks I have over 100 ml Ben holding onto trying to figure out how to save gna refilter tom it looks good now besides the shit stuck on bottom

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey bud I went an grabbed the vials I had from the cloudy brew an there clear now but it looks like whatever made them cloudy is stuck to bottom its the brew from a thread I made called lmc tren ace brew problem

solute/solvent precipitation is the result of two general causes

- a supersaturated solution
- insoluble contamination

IDK why folk are reluctant to believe raws sold on the net are wo impurities knowing the standards purchased by analytical labs (and many originate in China) often REQUIRE further processing before they can be used in comparative assays such as LCMS or HPLC.

Jim

 

[Thegreek]

Try looking up the definition of a supersaturated solution!

Next obtain a degree in chemistry
“bro”.

If you’d like to have an actual conversation I’m more than willing. Remember you are the one that came into the thread I started and spoke with an attitude. Thank you but I understand what a supersaturated solution is. First thing I want to say though is I have spoken about this before and am not ruling out impurity’s in the raws however, I will have to disagree with you though. This is not my first time with this issue nor is it the first time on this board that this is come up. I don’t believe it’s a SSS because after brewing with or without heat it remains cloudy and does not crash. I have seen posts that have talked about a reside on the bottom and other similar issues but in the cases that I have experienced and have read about it’s just a cloudy mix. If it was a SSS without heat it can’t dissolve and it should fall out of suspension. I respect your time on here and would be willing to continue this but I don’t need the fella bro or condescending attitude. It’s up to you.

 

[Holidaypay]

solute/solvent precipitation is the result of two general causes

- a supersaturated solution
- insoluble contamination

IDK why folk are reluctant to believe raws sold on the net are wo impurities knowing the standards purchased by analytical labs (and many originate in China) often REQUIRE further processing before they can be used in comparative assays such as LCMS or HPLC.

Jim

the thread I mentioned was all about me an other people saying it was impurities I was asking what I can do to fix it it noticed u don't read a whole lot before u go of on your no it all rants

 

[Dr JIM]

Jim rants tend to occur when posts are guiding others down
a path into no mans land bc satatements being made lack evidence based rhyme or reason.

There’s a simple means of defining to what extant water soluble contaminants are a part of raws.

Create a suspension of GSO and distilled water and decant the oil based layer.

Polar reagents such as B.B. and BA should only be added to the decanted oil based layer.