Angus' Phony Lab Tests

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This was mentioned briefly in the Astro thread today but was quickly buried.

Angus has been peddling fraudulent mass spec testing for a long time now and his scam has finally been exposed on Eroids. Angus' tests were written off as garbage on Meso by Dr Jim and others a year ago but his fanboys on Eroids and other forums kept the dream alive. Now it's finally over.

If a source is using mass spec test results from Angus to claim their gear is gtg, you should know those tests are worthless.

http://www.eroids.com/forum/general...ted-crap-science-by-angus-my-critique-by-dr-b​

• Fanboys protected crap science by Angus - my critique by Dr B
• drb2014 • Tue, Jan 20th, '15 06:49 • 46 replies, 758 views

"Hi all

I saw the two recent posts on Angus and his MS tests of gear so I've decided to speak out and say how crap his science was now that he's not protected by his fanboys anymore.

I test all my gear by GCMS for my own benefit and have posted the results of one of them on eroids. I did not get any free gear for doing this.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/jungle-juice-test-e-from-aussiesteroids.comausjuice.com

This is a link to the data I posted - simply a screen snapshot from the analyser I used.
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/71568/test%20e%20250.jpg

GCMS is still the forensic gold standard - if you get busted it's what LE will use to prosecute you.

There are three pieces of data in my screen snapshot. The top one is the chromatogram. The GC separates the components in the gear as they travel through it. Different steroids take different amounts of time to travel through the GC. This is the first critical identifier.

The test e in my gear came out at 10.65 minutes. The pure reference compound I bought and ran on my analyser came out at 11.94 minutes but that was before I cut a foot off the column and made things come out faster. Trust me and keep reading - I'm a scientist, unlike Angus...

Angus didn't use chromatography to separate the components in the gear (the chromatogram). He just fired them all in at once in a big mess. People who know better, aka "scientists", call this a lumpogram. He relied upon the mass resolution of his LCQTOF to do all the work. But it can't...

Angus relied upon the exact mass of the compound as the single identifier for his tests. Steroids are very similar molecules with subtle differences. Sometimes there is only one or two atoms difference between them. Some of the esters are also only different by only one or two atoms. Read on...

As an example nandrolone is testosterone minus a methyl group. But what if the ester attached to it differs by only a methyl group as well? An extra methyl group. Here are some examples where a nandrolone ester has EXACTLY the same mass as a testosterone ester.

nandrolone caprylate & testosterone enanthate - 400.297745

nandrolone dodecanoate & testosterone undecanoate - 456.360345

nandrolone enanthate & testosterone isocaproate - 386.282095

If Angus had used time in a chromatogram as an identifier this may not have been a problem but he used a fckn LUMPOGRAM!

The two other pieces of data in my screen snapshot are the mass spectra (MS) generated in the MS of the GCMS. The one on the bottom is from the forensic reference compound of pure testosterone enanthate (heptanoate) that I bought. The one in the middle is a spectra from the gear that I ran. There's a lot of little lines corresponding to mass (x-axis) and relative abundance (y-axis). They're both the same so the compounds are a match.

LCQTOF does not generate mass spectra like GCMS. Angus saw only a couple of lines in his spectra, not the multitude in a GCMS spectra. He could have seen a few more because his instrument was capable of inducing collisions (the Q in QTOF) to fragment the steroid but he didn't. He performed the simplest experiment he possibly could. Crap science...

And what about his "purity"? What a load of fckn BS!!! He divided the intensity of the Total Ion Chromatogram (TIC) by the combined intensity of the signals for the exact masses of the steroid. He assumed the relationship was linear for the signals from his piece of sht lumpogram.

I can criticise him more but it starts to get very heavy on the science. He used an ESI probe (Electrospray Ionisation). Steroids ionise very poorly with ESI. You need to use an APCI probe. I could go on...

Fanboys. They fck up source discussions and they completely fcked with the lab tests from Angus. Angus and his fanboys heaped sht on anyone who posted GCMS results but what's LE gonna use?

Cheers

Dr B"​

http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/mass-spectrumangus-past-events

• MASS SPECTRUM/ANGUS & PAST EVENTS
• Dr. Banner • Mon, Jan 19th, '15 11:57 • 162 replies, 2182 views

"Well I guess most of you know now what happened to the most popular "lab" tester on eroids. He conducted himself on here as a professional however most of you know that we all hide behind a computer screen/ keyboard however what he did was just wrong. He made it seem that he worked in a lab and knew the ins and outs of spectrum purity testing however he did not. I remember submitting tests and it would come back like 87%... some odd number to add to the credibility to his tests however a week later I would submit another sample from the same batch and he would state that it was like 92%... He also could not run samples unless a log was sent to tell him what each sample was. I would send samples numbered 1..2..3... etc, then send a key that would tell him what each was such as: 1-Test E, 2-Test P, 3-EQ, Etc... I wonder how much money he got away with from these "Lab tests" Kind of makes me sick. What is everyones' thoughts on this matter?"​

 

[Dr JIM]

Burr your thoughts and or insight being an Angus's secretary would be greatly appreciated.

Now is YOUR TIME to shine like a nuclear explosion in the dead of night Burr!

 

[Johnson513]

Wasn't it Angus that did the OnePharma Mass Spec?? I believe it was, which means who knows what the heck mg/ml I have sitting in my vials...

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Wasn't it Angus that did the OnePharma Mass Spec?? I believe it was, which means who knows what the heck mg/ml I have sitting in my vials...

I like to know if this is true also?

 

[Burrr]

Word on the street is that Angus got busted.
( How many sources did he piss off, while having his name and address out there.)
His lab test's have always been challenged as not accurate, so this is nothing new.
There has not been any cases of a users experience with gear differing greatly from what Angus reported in mass specs.
Does this mean that the MJR Caber was really GTG?
Were those Granabolic normas full strength and GTG?
Is that One Pharma gear really dosed at 250mg?

We almost had a blind test comparison between Angus and Alin, but Alin backed out.
That would have cleared things up then and there.

My opinion was, and still is, that those Angus tests were a reasonable representation of the gear tested. When the results were what someone wanted to see they were not challenged.

 

[insertnamehere]

@Burrr wasn't there at least one instance that a test performed by Angus came back at 100% purity? If so, is that a reasonable representation in your opinion?

 

[mercury]

Word on the street is that Angus got busted.

for what reason ? because he tested steroids ?

I have seen some of his lab results and there were some inconsistencies.

 

[flenser]

I sent test e raw samples to both Jim and Angus for comparison. I guess that's not ever going to happen now. Too bad; it would have been entertaining.

 

[Burrr]

He admitted that he was trying out a new testing method, and those were flawed results.
That was on a sample he did for Capt Forest. Angus did none of the testing himself, by his own admission. He had a basic understanding of his tests, but that was it.
I don't have any evidence one way or the other to say he was faking tests, or scamming people. But the nay sayers have not really posted any evidence either.

@Burrr wasn't there at least one instance that a test performed by Angus came back at 100% purity? If so, is that a reasonable representation in your opinion?

 

[MassTurk]

Why do you think he was busted? I apologize for interfering here, but someone mentioned he was testing for Astro and than he went MIA. Does anyone know for sure ?

 

[element00]

Why do you think he was busted? I apologize for interfering here, but someone mentioned he was testing for Astro and than he went MIA. Does anyone know for sure ?

I'm certainly not sure man, but I think there was a reference to meth in the link in the astro thread. Maybe that was just stirring up shit. Surely someone here has correct info tho?

 

[Burrr]

One of the Sources on Eroids said he was busted in texas, something related to meth. Not sure how true that is.

 

[Capt Forest]

I had two tests done by him tren e and anavar. It was the var that came back fucked up

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I don't have any evidence one way or the other to say he was faking tests, or scamming people. But the nay sayers have not really posted any evidence either.

Burr, you're like someone with autism. On almost every issue, you hyperfocus on minutia and completely miss the big picture. The evidence is the fact that his tests were garbage, as confirmed by many people who are familiar with analytical testing. What possible reason could explain selling THOUSANDS of worthless lab tests except for scamming. Ignorance? No, Angus' nonsense was pointed out to him many times and he and his fanboys attacked the critics rather than trying to understand why he was wrong. Angus knew exactly what he was doing.


I've long suspected that sources were paying more to get a better test result. This post from Alin seems to confirm that was the case. Alin is a source so his comments should be viewed with some skepticism but keep in mind that Alin did play a big part in exposing Angus' scam on Eroids. From Alin:

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"He told me that another megasource sent him 75 samples for testing and more 100 on the way.


So maybe he suggested if I test as many samples as possible, my tests will become better ?


I am not a idiot who does not know what I sell and I do not need his confirmation so I told him to fuck off and I started ...you remember what...I had a week of hell running after experts with his posts and they were like: "WTF do not ask me to answer to a idiot on the internet with such stupid statements, if you need help give me something smart"


I am testing everything I sell, thats why I stands up when is something not OK. If I would not be sure of something imagine I would keep my mouth shut and try to have back door deals with such guys like others have.


You have my word each time I meet that professor he make fun of me regarding on that subject."​

 

[mercury]

this is very interesting how long it takes to convince somebody that those test were not only questionable but total garbage in most cases.

I have pointed it out many times but not too many people took it seriously.

We are being scammed by sources then by fake lab reports.

Only trust your own eyes only not somebody else report.

 

[Burrr]

CBS, you bring up a valid point. There are people claiming to know chemistry saying his method was unreliable. There was also one guy claiming to be an analytical chemist saying that the TOF was an adequate test method for compound ID.
Who am I gonna believe? none of them.
Alins chemist, probably works for Alin.
Jim, He's an ER doc, or a fireman or something, but not an analytical chemist.
The user named labrat, that said the test were GTG, could be Beaker for all I know.
I'm going by users bloodwork, and cycle feedback and how it compares to the results Angus posted. The majority of these correspond.
But, hey, I could be wrong....Angus may be a meth head thief and Jim might have multiple doctorates.