Another REGAINING Fertility Log after 9 years of AAS

[mrborat16]

Hello guys,

new here to this forum but I wanted to log my PCT/regaining fertility after using AAS for 9 years +

I am 29 years old (GF 27) and started in 2014 running multiples compound (DECA,NPP,TREN,Various oral)
Since 2017 I have only ran test at 250mg/week and a few weeks per year anavar.

We started trying to conceive in February of this year and thought I would only add HCG to my TRT protocol and everything would be fine after a few tries (WRONG) I just wasted HCG for nothing because I didn't research hard enough that I also needed HMG.

After almost 2 months I decided that I needed to stop taking test and just do a proper PCT. I stopped test (last pin was march 20th) so it's been almost 3 months off test and I'm obviously feeling like crap. I did an home sperm test (YO) and I couldn't even see 1 sperm moving in the video which means I was azoospermia. I added clomid at 50mg ED with low dose HCG April 17th.

Fast foward to May 9th. Redid another home sperm test and I still had the same numbers/no swimmer found.

May 28th is when I started to follow Dave palumbo protocol to the letter. This means :

HCG 2000 units EOD
HMG 75IU's EOD
CLOMID 50mg AM 50mg PM ED
Arimidex 1mg 1-2 times per week.

Supplements : Fertilaid
Multivitamis, Ashwangadha, MACA

June 13th (2 days ago)
just did a real semen analysis with the hospital/lab and I'm waiting for my results.
I'm really nervous for the results and hope that I will have atleast a few milions sperms.

I'll continue to log this here and hope that in the next few months the GF is finally pregnant.
Not going to lie this process has taking a toll on my GF mood and I'm trying everything to make her pregnant.

If you have any questions or recommandations for me feel free to post.

 

[Henchus maximus98736]

Good luck mate. Where’s your test levels at?

 

[VaDImadi]

Good luck

 

[mrborat16]

Good luck mate. Where’s your test levels at?

I don't know yet. here in canada I need to get a prescription for that. Doc said to wait for the SA results before getting blood

 

[he-man 100]

Hello guys,

new here to this forum but I wanted to log my PCT/regaining fertility after using AAS for 9 years +

I am 29 years old (GF 27) and started in 2014 running multiples compound (DECA,NPP,TREN,Various oral)
Since 2017 I have only ran test at 250mg/week and a few weeks per year anavar.

We started trying to conceive in February of this year and thought I would only add HCG to my TRT protocol and everything would be fine after a few tries (WRONG) I just wasted HCG for nothing because I didn't research hard enough that I also needed HMG.

After almost 2 months I decided that I needed to stop taking test and just do a proper PCT. I stopped test (last pin was march 20th) so it's been almost 3 months off test and I'm obviously feeling like crap. I did an home sperm test (YO) and I couldn't even see 1 sperm moving in the video which means I was azoospermia. I added clomid at 50mg ED with low dose HCG April 17th.

Fast foward to May 9th. Redid another home sperm test and I still had the same numbers/no swimmer found.

May 28th is when I started to follow Dave palumbo protocol to the letter. This means :

HCG 2000 units EOD
HMG 75IU's EOD
CLOMID 50mg AM 50mg PM ED
Arimidex 1mg 1-2 times per week.

Supplements : Fertilaid
Multivitamis, Ashwangadha, MACA

June 13th (2 days ago)
just did a real semen analysis with the hospital/lab and I'm waiting for my results.
I'm really nervous for the results and hope that I will have atleast a few milions sperms.

I'll continue to log this here and hope that in the next few months the GF is finally pregnant.
Not going to lie this process has taking a toll on my GF mood and I'm trying everything to make her pregnant.

If you have any questions or recommandations for me feel free to post.

Keep in mind that sperm takes on average 74 days to fully develope thats why it is recommended to be on any fertility protocol for at leat 3 month or so to know if it works.

 

[mrborat16]

Keep in mind that sperm takes on average 74 days to fully develope thats why it is recommended to be on any fertility protocol for at leat 3 month or so to know if it works.

Yes that's true.

 

[mrborat16]

Update: waiting on pregnancy test this weekend to see if positive but we're not confident since I only started HMG fairly recently(3weeks or so). We have better chance to ceonveice in either July or August.

 

[mrborat16]

Came home from work and GF told me test was negative. I’m more confident for july and august because it will make it more than 3 months after last test dose. (March 20th)

Still was hard for the gf she had a good cry but I understand and try to support the best I can even if I’m the one that has fertility issue

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

Are you paying for the HMG outta pocket that can get expensive.

If you can’t stand the clomid sides for 3 months there is also enclomiphine or Gonaderelin which is a GnRH used for fertility.

The only thing you could potentially add to your protocol is GH. I can’t site any specific studies but a quick google search and you’ll see that GH has a positive effect on all fertility perimeters.

 

[mrborat16]

Are you paying for the HMG outta pocket that can get expensive.

If you can’t stand the clomid sides for 3 months there is also enclomiphine or Gonaderelin which is a GnRH used for fertility.

The only thing you could potentially add to your protocol is GH. I can’t site any specific studies but a quick google search and you’ll see that GH has a positive effect on all fertility perimeters.

I’m paying HMG out of my pockets no insurance.

I’m already 2k + dropped in this protocol. Fortunately money isn’t really an issue so far so I can afford hmg for a very long time.

I don’t think I have any side effects with clomid weirdly.

Thanks for the gh recommendation I’ll look into it!!!

 

[The Subtotalist]

I'm interested to hear your results. I'm running a similar fertility protocol right now, except with exogenous test at a low dose (15mg per day or 105mg per week).

However, I'm strongly considering dropping the test to regain fertility faster. It's one fewer variable to rule out in the event that I have a poor semen analysis.

 

[mrborat16]

Semen analysis results will be available in 2 weeks (July 3rd) I'll be happy if I'm not azoospermia anymore but studies are leaning towards a 6months recovery instead of 3.

Also I've been using dutasteride and finasteride combined since 2017. I have dropped dutasteride a few weeks ago because it can lower sperm counts. I'll wait until september if not pregnant to drop the finasteride.

 

[mrborat16]

I'm interested to hear your results. I'm running a similar fertility protocol right now, except with exogenous test at a low dose (15mg per day or 105mg per week).

However, I'm strongly considering dropping the test to regain fertility faster. It's one fewer variable to rule out in the event that I have a poor semen analysis.

it always depends on fast you want results. After 2 months of negative test I said fuck it and decided it would be quicker. Atleast we're still fairly young so time isn't that much of an issue for now.

We made the mistake of telling close friends and now it's putting pressure on us.

 

[Henchus maximus98736]

If you continue to fail I would recommend high doses of hcg + hmg ALONE.

And maybe clomid, if your willing to deal with the psychological sides.

 

[mrborat16]

If you continue to fail I would recommend high doses of hcg + hmg ALONE.

Thank you for the suggestion.

Yes that's the plan, I've dropped clomid from 100mg a day to 50mg a day.
If it doesn't happen in july I'm going to run it alone.

I will take a home sperm test tomorrow to see if I can see any swimmers comming back. It's not as accurate as a real SA in lab but I'll know atleast if there's any moving sperm.

 

[HB_22]

Do you have any sides from the Clomid? I dont know of anyone taking more than 50mg daily and not being crippled by the sides. That being said I am wondering if your stuff is legit or fake.

Where do you get your hcg and hmg from? I have a fertility thread here, too, and it took me 4-5 months to get my girlfriend pregnant. It may be worth a read.

Another thing:
I personally don't think combining Clomid with hcg and hmg makes any sense. Clomid will boost your endogenous production of LH and FSH while hcg and hmg mimic these hormones - this will result in a negative feedback loop and so your body will not start your endogenous production. It's like taking exogenous testosterone with Clomid. Once the testosterone is in your system the Clomid will literally do nothing because of the negative feedback loop.

 

[Jiobani]

Would like to add a few things here:

Below is also my personal opinion:

If you are really on TRT and add in HCG EOD, the TRT has no negative effect on fertility. TRT+HCG EOD will still give keep you fertile. You just didnt have enough patience. Fertility comes back +- 6 months and sperm takes +-3 months to produce.

I'm doing a similar fertility protocol at the moment:

I've done HCG through out my cycle and before (test tren mast). Cycle ended 1 month ago. We've been trying for a child 3 months now. My first sperm count test came back with active swimmers, just a bit on the low end. Hoping it will increase soon as I know this takes time.

The past 1 month i've been on:
- TRT
- 1000IU HCG EOD (throughout cycle)
- 25mg Clomid ED (added directly same day as starting TRT)
- In 2 months time I will add 75IU HMG EOD until pregnancy is achieved.

I disagree with clomid + HCG/HMG blocking each other. As indeed clomid blocks estrogen and signals the brain --> to the gland to produce LH/FSH.
As far as I know, HCG/HMG, do indeed mimic LH/FSH but do not block the pituitary gland from also creating this if the gland gets the signal to do so.

However, I am no doctor and this is just what I know.

 

[mrborat16]

It seems that there's soooo many informations regarding fertility protocol after/during AAS or TRT on the web/studies. Why I decided to still take clomid at high dosage is just because I trust Dave palumbo protocol.

 

[mrborat16]

Do you have any sides from the Clomid? I dont know of anyone taking more than 50mg daily and not being crippled by the sides. That being said I am wondering if your stuff is legit or fake.

Where do you get your hcg and hmg from? I have a fertility thread here, too, and it took me 4-5 months to get my girlfriend pregnant. It may be worth a read.

Another thing:
I personally don't think combining Clomid with hcg and hmg makes any sense. Clomid will boost your endogenous production of LH and FSH while hcg and hmg mimic these hormones - this will result in a negative feedback loop and so your body will not start your endogenous production. It's like taking exogenous testosterone with Clomid. Once the testosterone is in your system the Clomid will literally do nothing because of the negative feedback loop.

All the sides I had were the first 2-3 weeks (fatigue,moody emotional bitch) had some weird vision side effects but they were gone by week 3. I don't think my stuff is bunk since I have clomid from various lab. I've got pharma clomid purchased from dashpct, clomid from deus and from another india pharma from bgpharma. my HCG and HMG are all also legit. it's pharma

 

[HB_22]

All the sides I had were the first 2-3 weeks (fatigue,moody emotional bitch) had some weird vision side effects but they were gone by week 3. I don't think my stuff is bunk since I have clomid from various lab. I've got pharma clomid purchased from dashpct, clomid from deus and from another india pharma from bgpharma. my HCG and HMG are all also legit. it's pharma

That top left hmg is bunk. It's from india, I had that too. You can check if it's legit or not by injecting the whole 150IU and then go to the doctor or any lab and let them draw some blood and check your FSH levels. Real hmg will elevate your FSH , this bunk india hmg will not.

This easily explains your misery.
Just so you know, I bought that hmg from india too. It's fake, I had several boxes of it. They looked exaxtly like yours.