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Thanks for sharing. It's unfortunate that you're count is still low, but at least it's not zero! It means that you're not just spinning your wheels trying to make a baby every month. It would be helpful to know exactly how many sperm you have, though.
Yeah I have no idea why they didn't include total count... next SA is in 5 weeks so I'm hoping the numbers goes up a lot.
I think you are better off with just dropping the hcg+hmg completely and just take low dose Clomid for the next 8 weeks. It will likely be the better option in your case. The point is if you are off of exogenous testosterone and still take hcg+hmg your own testosterone production will not be not fully working. And you already went off of everything, didn’t you? So low dose Clomid is your best bet here to get your lady pregnant asap.
What dosage would you suggest for the clomid?
I agree with this. Hcg and hmg should be used while on trt. Clomid is better while completely off. Not to mention it’s a fuck ton cheaper. It will take a WHILE though. I’d plan on 6 months to a year. Just an fyi. We had our first child while I stayed on 100mg test and using hcg/FSH. Both from a compounding pharmacy in the US. Took about 8-10 months. I’m currently running 75mg of hmg 3x a week during blast to prime the pump, so to speak, in case we try again this winter. I’m sourcing it from QSC. It’s very affordable through them. Hopefully it’s legit.
12,5mg every day for 4-8 weeks. You can do less if you dont feel well on it. Usually they come in 25mg tablets so you can split them up in either 2 or 4 parts depending on side effects and how you feel. For some it can make a drastic difference if they take it in the evening before sleep in regards to sides.
Confused why you are saying clomid would work more quickly than HCG + FHS/HMG? Just coming off testosterone doesnt mean his body his ready for spermatogenesis. If his goal is to obtain pregnancy ASAP then clomid wont do that for him if his intra-testicular testosterone has not reached a level yet that is able to promote spermatogenesis. That would happen with monitoring of blood work to check his endogenous T and gonadotropin production, which can be expedited with use of HCG throughout cycling/TRT and during post-cycle to prime leydig cells. But looking through his previous posts it doesnt seem like he provided any of that, so Im assuming he hasn't. It sounds like his best bet is to obtain real HCG/HMG and follow the protocol above, especially if money isnt an issue. If it is, then HCG + clomid should be fine, but it'll likely take much longer as he wont be bypassing recovery of the HPTA axis by using gonadotropins to directly stimulate leydig cells and Sertoli cells to promote spermatogenesis. If there is any literature you have come across that shows clomid being a better option for him to obtain pregnancy more quickly please share, as I genuinely want to know and it would change the understanding I thought I had about recovery/fertility and also make it much much cheaper moving forward
HCG and hmg can interfere with bis body's natural hormone production, he just came off of everything and I have seen people getting better results by just taking Clomid alone (that does not interfere with his natural production) than with hcg+hmg while trying to recovery his hpta.
I wasn't trying to bash you, just asking if there was literature you came across. Meso is a place where many come for knowledge or help and if I learn something new, great. That being said, the people you have seen experience with Clomid is anecdotal, and there are too many variables that could have affected it. Simplist being HCG/HMG is more frequently faked than clomid due to cost. Regardless, HCG/FSH negatively feedbacking on his HPTA and affecting his recovery is theoretical, there is no absolute that it will and no literature to support that it will, hence why I asked my question in the first place.
I will have a look into it at the weekend but what we know from the literature so far is that every hormone in human body is underlying a feedback loop mechanism by which the body is up or downregulating either the hormone itself and/or other hormones as well. This is common sense and seen with literally any hormone that I know of, and this also applies for LH/FSH and its mimics like hcg/hmg.
I completely agree with you. Also, need to consider that all hormones and gonadotropins do not affect the axis to the same magnitude. Testosterone is the primary inhibitor of the pituitary for both LH and FSH release. If he were still on TRT, adding Clomid is counterintuitive as he would be hoping for the pituitary to release FSH/LH but still has supraphysiologic T levels causing inhibition.
After 3-6 months, yes, its highly likely.
Don’t be disappointed. You’re clearly making progress but don’t be surprised if you are still a ways away, looking at your video. Keep at it!
