Another Tren A vs E

[RockyP]

I’ve ran everything lol. Unfortunately I can’t move past the results I get from nandrolone. Test/npp/var with slight surplus and heavy lifting makes me a mass monster lol. It’s addicting, can’t lie. I just play it a little more strategic when I do run it.

Totally agree with where you’re coming from though.

Have you ever tried really high test with something like EQ or primo? Or even just an AI? Like double whatever your test dosage is when you run it with nandrolone? Not trying to pry but I’ve unfortunately seen how the mental effects of these compounds can lead us down roads where the outcomes can be irreversible. We can donate blood, take statins and anti hypertensives, etc. but sometimes we can’t undo the things we do in moments when we’re not thinking straight. Just looking out. You’re a big boy. Just take care of yourself.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

Have you ever tried really high test with something like EQ or primo? Or even just an AI? Like double whatever your test dosage is when you run it with nandrolone? Not trying to pry but I’ve unfortunately seen how the mental effects of these compounds can lead us down roads where the outcomes can be irreversible. We can donate blood, take statins and anti hypertensives, etc. but sometimes we can’t undo the things we do in moments when we’re not thinking straight. Just looking out. You’re a big boy. Just take care of yourself.

I’ve tried running eq 4 times. Every time I feel like absolute shit. Extreme fatigue, terrible lifts, no motivation. It’s not low e2.

Primo is the same, but legitimate crahsed e2, at a 1:1 with test. I don’t want to push test crazy high just to run primo so I leave it alone.

Yeah for sure. I agree entirely with that you’re saying. I’m a business owner, so totally used to the ups and downs, eating shit, emotional swings, etc.

It was really just a steep learning curve in the beginning, but well aware of what to expect, when it comes etc.

 

[Jeffholio5]

Modafinil reduces prolactin as well. Definitely want to try and stay far away from Caber and Prami. Dopamine Agonists are serious meds.

New strategy for me moda for prolactin and primo for estrogen

 

[readalot]

yes the deca user would have levels twice as high because of the half life

edit: not twice as high but like 50% higher

edit: like 75% higher

My apology. You are correct and I was wrong. I was thinking about the wrong case. Thank you for providing the correct information.

 

[Photon]

Does it matter what side you are looking to mitigate? For instance, if it's trensomia, wouldn't having it out of your system at night be the best? (E.g short half life compounds, base or TRA?). With base it would have done at least 2 half life's before you go to bed.

If it's rage or anger issues, then wouldn't stable levels with less peaks be the best?( E.g hex or TRE?)

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

Does it matter what side you are looking to mitigate? For instance, if it's trensomia, wouldn't having it out of your system at night be the best? (E.g short half life compounds, base or TRA?). With base it would have done at least 2 half life's before you go to bed.

If it's rage or anger issues, then wouldn't stable levels with less peaks be the best?( E.g hex or TRE?)

I care more about rage over not sleeping. I can manage the insomnia aspect. Anger I can do without lol. Which is partly why I wanted to give E a go.

Typically I’ve seen people say E is worse. But could just be guys who are inexperienced, and can’t manage the side effects of a negative experience with the longer ester.

 

[readalot]

the ester weight doesnt matter, the ester does. if you pin something that hangs around for twice as long as another ester, you only need half as much
i think that explains it

Now I gotta go back and look at the papers and PK parameters Steroid Plotter is using. Will report back.

Good stuff!

 

[Liter O' Test]

I care more about rage over not sleeping. I can manage the insomnia aspect. Anger I can do without lol. Which is partly why I wanted to give E a go.

Typically I’ve seen people say E is worse. But could just be guys who are inexperienced, and can’t manage the side effects of a negative experience with the longer ester.

just start really low, I was good at 25mg a week and i increased bit by bit with some front loads to my current 50mg over this past month. I feel good but a couple times I was a little too reactive. Im a little crazy already so the tren just thins my filter a bit


e is stronger than ace so dont compare them to the equivilent daily ace. 25mg e definately isn't nothing, its about half the weekly medical prescribed dose, parabolan was 76mg every ~10 days

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

Yes I’ve searched. Most threads are old, or cluttered with useless talk.


To keep it brief. I’ve always ran Ace. I get the typical insomnia, and rage over 200mg.

All of the tren color talk has me wanting to give E a run, as is typically lighter. And I also want to stretch it a little longer than my usual 6 week stent.

The feedback seems highly inconsistent. Do any of you see more sides on E over Ace. This would be dosing being equal according to ester weight.

Thanks!

Either way, if you see sides you don’t like with Tren Ace, you can just hop off and it will dissipate faster than if it were with Enanthate. But on the other side of the coin, I find Tren ace sides hit you like a truck due to the ester.
Pros and cons to both really.
150mg-200mg Tren E a week is as high as I’ll go with that rat poison.
Spikes my prolactin like a bch also.

 

[xrayphoton13]

My personal experience running 250-350mg. My tren e has all been slightly darker than my tren a. I run tren a daily, tren e 2 or 3x per week. I completely soak the bed every night on e after the first week or so. Tren a no night sweats or very very light. So I get less sides on a. I don't get the aggression or rage or weird sex stuff from tren. If I could combine the less pinning of E with the light sweats of A then I'd really have something

 

[Optimizaa28]

I have always ran Tren A. Never tried E, but after awhile the daily pinning gets annoying. So I’d say one of the compelling arguments for Tren E is that you can pin 2x per week.

 

[Photon]

Has anyone tried running it with Mast?
Any difference in sides?

 

[Eddie.]

With enanthate, each shot keeps releasing for a week+ after you pin it, so by weeks 4-6 you've basically got multiple doses stacking on top of each other.

With ace, it stabilizes faster and clears quicker, so it doesn't "pile up" the same way.

Correct. This is why most guys saying deca is stronger vs npp. It accumulates and when it peaks it's going very high.

Several top Open BBers have recently said they don’t go over 300. And the guys from past generation said nobody went over 225 parabolan. Not trying to reignite the old debates and it’s not a criticism to anyone taking more than 300. But this mantra of 225-300 weekly long acting tren from the biggest bodybuilders in the world spanning generations has to mean something.

Hm, don't know about that. Many rumours said Nick Walker was running up to 1400mg tren in previous years. Nate Spear on a podcast when he asked what he's running he replied 1500mg test E and 1000mg Tren E.

Those dosages are definitely exist but obviously it's not the norm. Thankfully dosages are coming down as the years go by, 350-500 seems potent enough even for the big guys.

My personal experience running 250-350mg. My tren e has all been slightly darker than my tren a. I run tren a daily, tren e 2 or 3x per week. I completely soak the bed every night on e after the first week or so. Tren a no night sweats or very very light. So I get less sides on a. I don't get the aggression or rage or weird sex stuff from tren. If I could combine the less pinning of E with the light sweats of A then I'd really have something

I had no sides with Ace at 200 and thought next time to try E. I'll be very disappointed if E gets me sides haha. If i were you I'd try to pin E more frequently like eod or ED for 2 weeks and see if sides persist. Just for the experience, i know if you end up pinning ed it's way better to use Ace but whatever. Sometimes frequency can eliminate or trigger side effects.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

the ester weight doesnt matter, the ester does. if you pin something that hangs around for twice as long as another ester, you only need half as much
i think that explains it

Not arguing this. But why does plotting show the opposite?

 

[Liter O' Test]

Not arguing this. But why does plotting show the opposite?

where are u plotting

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

where are u plotting

Cycle planner, after you mentioning it.

 

[Tbaz192]

Definitely following this,
I’ve had my fair share of runs with Tren E.

Went ahead tried Tren A recently. 50/70mg EOD And didn’t feel shit on it. Very very reputable source. Maybe I just don’t get sides? Even on Tren E 400mg only things I noticed was sleep quality, libido, and slight paranoia. Zero other sides. But man did that Tren E hit hard in the gym physique wise and strength etc

If my labs all come back good in a month or two and ferritin isn’t sub 100. I’ll be getting back on & I have 6 vials of Tren A waiting.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Cycle planner, after you mentioning it.

use steroidplotter

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

use steroidplotter

I’ll post it up later. Maybe I’m wrong.

 

[SwolieGuacamole]

Definitely following this,
I’ve had my fair share of runs with Tren E.

Went ahead tried Tren A recently. 50/70mg EOD And didn’t feel shit on it. Very very reputable source. Maybe I just don’t get sides? Even on Tren E 400mg only things I noticed was sleep quality, libido, and slight paranoia. Zero other sides. But man did that Tren E hit hard in the gym physique wise and strength etc

If my labs all come back good in a month or two and ferritin isn’t sub 100. I’ll be getting back on & I have 6 vials of Tren A waiting.

How long are your E cycles