Anti-Anxiety Stack

[The450Man]

I need help improving this stack.

Regimene
Stress B-complex-- One serving in morning
Fish Oils--------- Two servings one in morning, one at night
Magnesium--------- 250 mg morning and night
5htp--------------- 100 mg, 3 times a day (total 300mg)



Stress B-Complex
Viamin C-----500 mg
Vitamin E----30 IU
Thiamin------10 mg
Riboflavin---10 mg
Niacin-------100 mg
Vitamin B6---5 mg
Folic acid---400 mcg
Vitamin B12--12 mcg
Biotin-------45 mcg
Panthothenic Acid 20 mg
Zinc----------23.9
Copper-------3 mg

Multi complex
Vitamin c----- 180 mg
Vitamin d----- 1000 IU
Vitamin e------50 IU
Vitamin k------80 mcg
Thiamin--------1.5 mg
Riboflavin-----1.7 mg
Niacin---------20 mg
Vitamin B6-----2 mg
FOlic Acid-----400 mcg
Vitamin B12----6mcg
Biotin---------30 mcg
Pantothenic acid-10 mg
Calcium--------162 mg
Iron-----------18 mcg
Iodine---------150 mcg
Magnesium------4 mg
Zinc-----------15 mg
Selenium-------70 mcg
Copper---------2 mg
Magnanese------4 mg
Chrmium--------120 mcg
Molybdenum-----75 mcg

Fish Oil concentrate 2400mg
Omege 3 Fatty Acids (EPA,DHA, and other omega-3) 720 mg per serving

Magnesium
Magnesium---250 mg per serving

5htp
5htp------ 100 mg per serving




I thought about adding, theanine, taurine, picamilon, Inositol and niacin.

Some food for thought....

Aniracetam, piracetam, choline, Oxiracetam, Nefiracetam, Pramiracetam

Any other thoughts and opinions is greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

[biker340]

I would add GABA to that stack, I take one, 750 mg tablet , 3 different times of the day on an empty stomach.
I suffer from GAD and after I take a dose, I feel the effects pretty fast. i just added 5-htp to my daily routine. Do you have an problems with it making you drowsy?

 

[jasonshadow]

I would increase the Magneisum quite a bit. Mag. is the single most best supplement for anxiety for me. (could be different for others) You should take Mag up till tolerance. I take about 1200mg per day in divided doses.

You also want to make sure your taking the right type of Mag. Not all get absorbed as well as others. For example, Mag. Glycinate is one of the best. Mag. Oxide is one the cheapest and worst absorbed Mag.

 

[KeepinMyGains]

Valerian is one herb shown to relieve anxiety in clinical trials. Also Passionflower. Me personally I take a nice relaxing bath instead of showers. It's amazing how a nice hot bath just relaxes you. Also a nice message at the end of the week..

 

[friendlymachine]

I need help improving this stack.

Regimene
Stress B-complex-- One serving in morning
Fish Oils--------- Two servings one in morning, one at night
Magnesium--------- 250 mg morning and night
5htp--------------- 100 mg, 3 times a day (total 300mg)



Stress B-Complex
Viamin C-----500 mg
Vitamin E----30 IU
Thiamin------10 mg
Riboflavin---10 mg
Niacin-------100 mg
Vitamin B6---5 mg
Folic acid---400 mcg
Vitamin B12--12 mcg
Biotin-------45 mcg
Panthothenic Acid 20 mg
Zinc----------23.9
Copper-------3 mg

Multi complex
Vitamin c----- 180 mg
Vitamin d----- 1000 IU
Vitamin e------50 IU
Vitamin k------80 mcg
Thiamin--------1.5 mg
Riboflavin-----1.7 mg
Niacin---------20 mg
Vitamin B6-----2 mg
FOlic Acid-----400 mcg
Vitamin B12----6mcg
Biotin---------30 mcg
Pantothenic acid-10 mg
Calcium--------162 mg
Iron-----------18 mcg
Iodine---------150 mcg
Magnesium------4 mg
Zinc-----------15 mg
Selenium-------70 mcg
Copper---------2 mg
Magnanese------4 mg
Chrmium--------120 mcg
Molybdenum-----75 mcg

Fish Oil concentrate 2400mg
Omege 3 Fatty Acids (EPA,DHA, and other omega-3) 720 mg per serving

Magnesium
Magnesium---250 mg per serving

5htp
5htp------ 100 mg per serving




I thought about adding, theanine, taurine, picamilon, Inositol and niacin.

Some food for thought....

Aniracetam, piracetam, choline, Oxiracetam, Nefiracetam, Pramiracetam

Any other thoughts and opinions is greatly appreciated, thanks.

Speaking as someone with GAD, I'd ask your doc for some benzos. Clonazepam works the best due to its long half-life. Don't allow yourself to be put on SSRIs as they have very little evidence to back up that they are effective for anxiety - they're effect is modest for some people, yet most docs use them first knowing they probably won't work due to the old stigma around benzos (Valium abuse in the 70s).

I know you were looking for a natural anxiety stack and my reply doesn't really address that, but I and several friends have found that for chronic anxiety, benzos are very effective and will run you about $10 a month. If you do go this route, dump the 5-HTP. It can effect serotonin and that may or may not be a good thing. The benzos act directly on the GABA receptors. The rest looks fine but really the fish oil would be the best thing I see on that list.

 

[oneday]

hey the450man,

here is my experience, I took propecia for 6 months and when i stopped, i had very bad side effects. I could not sleep due to really bad anxiety b/c my hormones were f'd up. I probably had high estradiol and low testosterone which is a perfect combination for really bad anxiety. I delt with the aniety thang for almost a yr, but everytime i tried to sleep, the anxiety would manifest itself and ruin my sleep. On my birthday, i said enough is enough, and searched for some answers. I came across someone doing this stack for libido and it was another symptom that i was trying to correct. I bought the following supplements and after 2-3 months, all my anxiety went away and an added benefit was that I had incredibly strong erections.

here are the supplements I took:

ZMK (zinc, magnesium, Krebs chelated)
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/millennium-sport-technologies/zmk-120-tabs.html
- zinc is a natural aromatase which blocks the conversion of testosterone into estrogen
and it could be a reason for better emotions and erections
- if you take a higher dosage of zinc then you need to add copper to your diet to help
with metabolizing w/ zinc.
- you may experience vivid dreams while taking this which i've experienced

cons:
- the cons are, cannot take it with calcium b/c it prevents zinc from absorbing into
your body.
- if you take the suggested the 4 tablet amount, then you will have difficulty searching
for thoughts and you may get a studder in your speech. I recommend you only take 2 tabs
on an empty stomach before bedtime.



MVP-365
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/millennium-sport-technologies/mvp-120-cap.html
- this is suppose to be stacked with ZMK.
- it contains almost all the vitamins and minerals you listed


Sustain Alpha
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/primordial-performance/sustain-alpha-7-5-oz.html
- it contains natural extracts that promotes testosterone production
- helps to increase testosterone which helps with emotions and erections
- I don't take the recommended dosage b/c it is gives me a rash
- take half what they recommend and I alternate body parts that the lotion is
rubbed on.

endo amp
http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/primordial-performance/endoamp-48-g.html
- i don't know what this does but was taking it. Just wanted to note it b/c the stack
I was on definitely clear all anixety i had.


By profession, i'm a programmer and doing a lot mental calculations brings about stress which i was accustom to. But stopping propecia, kicked my stress and anxiety level into the stratosphere and i was really fucked up. I was feeling paranoid, restless, and antsy all the time which compounded by the inability to sleep, it was a viscous cycle. If you can't get good sleep then it will lead into stress, which feeds into restless sleep. you get the point. Anyhow, after 2 month most of the issues went away and by the 3rd month, i was cured from all anxiety issues.


So, I suggest that you try all the above b/c you are getting hands-on info from a person that overcame severe anxiety.


Just listen to what Dr Marianco said:
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134239779

Collorary Two:

By this definition of the mind, inevitably one concludes that:

The mind IS the body.

The body IS the mind.

There is NO separation between mind and body.

The mind IS the body.



So the450man, if you correct your body, then you'll correct the mind! It is that simple. There is something that is physiologically wrong that is causing the anxiety, so start with my suggestion to correct testosterone and sure you are going to get some much needed minerials from ZMK and MVP-365 with this stack.

stop taking all the other stuff you listed b/c it could be doing your body harm. Try the products that work for me and if you need to add to it, then do so. I'm currently not taking those products anymore b/c i've been anxiety-free for 5 months now. goodluck. oneday

 

[Matt Muscle]

Speaking as someone with GAD, I'd ask your doc for some benzos. Clonazepam works the best due to its long half-life. Don't allow yourself to be put on SSRIs as they have very little evidence to back up that they are effective for anxiety - they're effect is modest for some people, yet most docs use them first knowing they probably won't work due to the old stigma around benzos (Valium abuse in the 70s).

I know you were looking for a natural anxiety stack and my reply doesn't really address that, but I and several friends have found that for chronic anxiety, benzos are very effective and will run you about $10 a month. If you do go this route, dump the 5-HTP. It can effect serotonin and that may or may not be a good thing. The benzos act directly on the GABA receptors. The rest looks fine but really the fish oil would be the best thing I see on that list.

Benzo's need to be the absolute last choice, if nothing else works.
They are highly addictive. I have seen some friends have great difficulty discontinuing these meds when they were inappropriatly prescribed.

 

[The450Man]

thanks guys youve been much help

 

[simpllyhuge]

benzos are not that addictive. They help alot, so if you want to go back to suffering, yes that would be hard to stop them. If you abuse them and take more than you are prescribed you could develop a problem.

 

[friendlymachine]

Benzo's need to be the absolute last choice, if nothing else works.
They are highly addictive. I have seen some friends have great difficulty discontinuing these meds when they were inappropriatly prescribed.

With respect, they really aren't that addictive. Don't get me wrong, they are definitely habit forming, but I've come off of them before and the key is to gradually reduce the dosage - like over a period of 6 weeks or so. This gives your body time to adjust. If you go cold turkey, it's not good at all - a very rough ride. Also, to the point made by oneday, "if you correct your body, then you'll correct the mind". I have to say that there is truth in that. When I feel really tuned up regarding test, e2, etc, I have virtually no anxiety. The problem is, getting tuned up can be a really long term process that can go on for years. The benzos will help while you're working on getting your body where it needs to be. Why suffer if you don't have to?

 

[marianco]

Anxiety generally means a person's nervous system has excessive norepinephrine signaling in response to the stress in one's life. And the anti-stress signaling systems are not working well enough to control norepinephrine signaling.

One needs norepinephrine. It is the signal for stress. It keeps one awake in the daytime. It gives us energy on demand in conjunction with the adrenal glands. It keeps one's blood pressure up. It gives one pleasure in conjunction with dopamine. Etc.

But excessive signaling contributes to a lot of problems, including mood problems, diabetes, obesity, heart attacks, strokes, inflammatory illnesses, hypertension, etc. etc.

The most commonly used medications for anxiety generally target GABA and Serotonin. These are the benzodiazepines and SSRIs. I like them in that they have fairly specific targets. GABA and Serotonin both help control Norepinephrine signaling. But there are limitations. GABA medications generally turn off all of the brain when one wants primarily to target the Norepinephrine producing nerves.. This is a problem when one wants to maintain alertness, etc. Increasing Serotonin can reduce Dopamine. This can reduces sex drive and motivation. Reducing dopamine too far can increase norepinephrine. The combination of low dopamine and high norepinephrine can cause motor restlessness (akathisia) which in its worse case can cause extreme discomfort and agitation. Thus the dose for both GABA and Serotonin targetting medications needs to be carefully considered - reduced if excessive adverse effects occur.

A fasting blood sugar over 100 indicates the presence of insulin resistance or diabetes (if > 125). Testing fasting insulin is important in the assessment. When insulin resistance is present the nervous system is often in a stressed state, producing excessive norepinephrine. However, other causes of insulin resistance may also contribute to excessive norepinephrine signaling. Thus they too must be evaluated.

TSH alone is not adequate to determine thyroid status. When the nervous system is not functioning well - such as if one has insulin resistance or a mental illness such as anxiety - then the pituitary (a component of the nervous system) will be unable to product adequate TSH. Thus TSH may be low and hide the presence of hypothyroidism if this is the only measure considered. What would be also useful is: Free T3, Total T4, and a diagnostic interview and physical exam for signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism.

Total Estrogens is not a good measure. If there are lots of weak estrogens, they would increase Total Estrogens yet not give one an idea of their function. An ultrasensitive estradiol is a better measure. For anxiety problems, however, estrogen is generally one of the last problems a person may have. There are bigger problems to evaluate.

I have on occasion used Gabatril for patients. Gabatril is an anti-seizure medication. Anti-seizure medications are often used in psychiatry for mood disorders (in which I include the anxiety disorders) and psychotic disorders. They are useful. Similar to the GABA medications (like the benzodiazepines), they have the problem of turning off the entire brain. Thus dosing is important to avoid oversedation and impairment in thinking and motor skills. I haven't used Gabatril often since for most people it doesn't work as reliably for anxiety as a benzodiazepine. Gabatril also runs the risk of causing seizures despite being an anti-seizure medication. Anti-seizure medications are much more complicated in use than GABA medications. More adverse effects can occur. For many, regular blood testing is needed.

When I address anxiety, I not only want to work with the nervous system itself, but to also optimize the rest of the signaling systems and metabolism, including nutrition, to improve one's response to stress.

[Quote = anonymous]Hi, i suffer from anxiety and would like you too look over a few things. First im 19, 145lbs. Here is some blood work.

WBC Count 3.8-10.8 thous/mcl 5.4
RBC 4.20-5.80 mill/mcl 5.33
Hgb 13.2-17.1 g/dl 16.1
Hematocrit 38.5-50% 47.1
MCV 80-100FL 88.4
MCH 27-33PG 30.1
MCHC 32-36vG/DL 34.1
RDW 11-15% 13
Platelets 140-400 thous/mcl 199
Platelet Sufficiency normal
ABS Neutrophils 1500-7800 cells/mcl 2260
ABS Lymphocytes 850-3900 cells/mcl 2590
ABS monocytes 200-950 cells/mcl 410
ABS eosinophils 15-500 cells/mcl 100
ABS basophils 0-200 cells/mcl 20
Total neutrophils 40-75% 42
Lymphocytes 15-50% 48
Monocytes 0-10% 8
Eosinophils 0-6% 2
Basophils 0-2% 0
RBC Morphology Normal
Sodium 135-146 mmol/l 143
potassium 3.8-5.1 mmol/l 4.6
chloride 98-110 mmol/l104
carbon dioxide 21-33 mmol/l 33
calcium 8.9-10.4 mg/dl 9.9
glucose 65-99 mg/dl 104
blood urea nitrogen 7-20 mg/dl 10
creatinine .50-1.30 mg/dl 1.18
BUN creatinine ratio 6-22 8.7
GFR estimate LOW: < OR=60 ml/min/1.73m2 >60
EGFR African american LOW: < OR=60 ml/min/1.73m2 >60
Alkaline Phosphatase 48-230 u/l 63
Aspartate Aminot 12-32 u/l 15
Alanine Aminotrans 8-46 u/l 11
Total Bilirubin .2-1.1 mg/dl .7
Direct Bilirubin LOW: < or=.2 mg/dl .2
Total Protien 6.3-8.2 g/dl 7.5
Albumin 3.6-5.1 g/dl 4.7
Globulin 2.1-3.5 g/dl 2.8
Albumin/globulin ratio 1-2.1 1.7
TSH (third generation) .50-4.30 mU/L 1.34
Estrogens total LOW: 130 or less (pg/ml) 198
Testosterone 241-827 (ng/dl) 657

My estrogen is high and i will be getting retested.

SSRIs dont help me out. When they do, i feel to emotionally blunted with no sex drive. Now im taking klonopin for my anxiety at .25-.50 mg a day.

I was also curious as if u had any experience with SGRI like gabatril for anxiety? What one would u recommend? If i start on an SGRI I will probably drop the klonopin.[/Quote]

 

[The450Man]

thanks! its greatly appreciated!

I will be going in for more blood work. (Free T3, Total T4, ultrasensitive estradiol,)