Any experienced brewers opinions would be greatly appreciated

[Dale Denton]

Hey there fellers. So I have a pretty basic question but it is one I’ve yet to find an answer for on my own so I had to break down and post. Anyways I’m not a first time brewer but I’ve also only been brewing a couple years so I have a ton to learn. My current issue is that I received a batch of cyp raw in January from a source I’ve been using about two years. But I’m this shipment all of the raws looked totally different than normal. I asked the company rep why and was refused an answer.
So fast forward to last week, I finally needed to brew another 100mls of cyp and used to the same recipe as always. Gso, 19bb, and 1ba. Everything mixed fine and filtered well. But after it all cooled and sat a while my curiosity got the best of my and I wanted to see if this will crash at a reasonable temp (mainly because how the other raws looked).
After trying the fridge and getting no crashing whatsoever I threw the vial in the freezer. I waited about 1 hour and still no crystallization at all. Has anybody ever had cyp that simply would not crash? Any opinions?

 

[Cashton]

Hey there fellers. So I have a pretty basic question but it is one I’ve yet to find an answer for on my own so I had to break down and post. Anyways I’m not a first time brewer but I’ve also only been brewing a couple years so I have a ton to learn. My current issue is that I received a batch of cyp raw in January from a source I’ve been using about two years. But I’m this shipment all of the raws looked totally different than normal. I asked the company rep why and was refused an answer.
So fast forward to last week, I finally needed to brew another 100mls of cyp and used to the same recipe as always. Gso, 19bb, and 1ba. Everything mixed fine and filtered well. But after it all cooled and sat a while my curiosity got the best of my and I wanted to see if this will crash at a reasonable temp (mainly because how the other raws looked).
After trying the fridge and getting no crashing whatsoever I threw the vial in the freezer. I waited about 1 hour and still no crystallization at all. Has anybody ever had cyp that simply would not crash? Any opinions?

It doesn’t always crash in the cold.especially if you actually used solvents (ba/bb)

 

[bodybuilder8806]

Best thing to do if you purchased enough to last you a while and you're concerned is send it off for a lab test. $120 for peace of mind on powder that you'll be using for 1+ years is well worth it.

 

[Cashton]

Best thing to do if you purchased enough to last you a while and you're concerned is send it off for a lab test. $120 for peace of mind on powder that you'll be using for 1+ years is well worth it.

100% this

 

[Dale Denton]

It doesn’t always crash in the cold.especially if you actually used solvents (ba/bb)

That’s what I was hoping but I still hear so much about cyp crashing easily at normal temps just at 250mg/ml that my only guess was it was underdosed to hell or the wrong product entirely. I’ve spent hours searching the inter web for a specific temp that cyp is guaranteed to crash at and couldn’t find anything. I did the idiot move and didn’t do a melt test before I brewed just because I had used ppl multiple times over the years l and never had issues.

Best thing to do if you purchased enough to last you a while and you're concerned is send it off for a lab test. $120 for peace of mind on powder that you'll be using for 1+ years is well worth it.

I think that’s what I’m gonna have to do. 25 grams of test isn’t expensive as we all know but a hospital bill is. So if I have to throw it out then it is what it is but lab tests will show all I guess. The problem is I don’t know any trusted labs except jano and I’ve never once talked to the guy. Are there any others that are commonly used? Btw thanks guys

 

[bodybuilder8806]

That’s what I was hoping but I still hear so much about cyp crashing easily at normal temps just at 250mg/ml that my only guess was it was underdosed to hell or the wrong product entirely. I’ve spent hours searching the inter web for a specific temp that cyp is guaranteed to crash at and couldn’t find anything. I did the idiot move and didn’t do a melt test before I brewed just because I had used ppl multiple times over the years l and never had issues.

I think that’s what I’m gonna have to do. 25 grams of test isn’t expensive as we all know but a hospital bill is. So if I have to throw it out then it is what it is but lab tests will show all I guess. The problem is I don’t know any trusted labs except jano and I’ve never once talked to the guy. Are there any others that are commonly used? Btw thanks guys

I'd just do a blind test with Jano, he looks to be the most reliable and has pretty straight forward instructions on his site.

https://www.janoshik.com/details/

 

[Cashton]

That’s what I was hoping but I still hear so much about cyp crashing easily at normal temps just at 250mg/ml that my only guess was it was underdosed to hell or the wrong product entirely. I’ve spent hours searching the inter web for a specific temp that cyp is guaranteed to crash at and couldn’t find anything. I did the idiot move and didn’t do a melt test before I brewed just because I had used ppl multiple times over the years l and never had issues.

I think that’s what I’m gonna have to do. 25 grams of test isn’t expensive as we all know but a hospital bill is. So if I have to throw it out then it is what it is but lab tests will show all I guess. The problem is I don’t know any trusted labs except jano and I’ve never once talked to the guy. Are there any others that are commonly used? Btw thanks guys

Just use @janoshik , he’s quite friendly and will make the process very easy for you. He might even send you bum hole pics if you play your cards right.

 

[Dale Denton]

I'd just do a blind test with Jano, he looks to be the most reliable and has pretty straight forward instructions on his site.

https://www.janoshik.com/details/

Alright awesome I’ll just get ahold of him then. Thanks a lot brotha!

Just use @janoshik , he’s quite friendly and will make the process very easy for you. He might even send you bum hole pics if you play your cards right.

Lmao perfect that’s what I wanna hear. If this cyp doesn’t turn out good I might be the one sending bum hole pics in trade for vials of test

 

[Cashton]

Alright awesome I’ll just get ahold of him then. Thanks a lot brotha!

Lmao perfect that’s what I wanna hear. If this cyp doesn’t turn out good I might be the one sending bum hole pics in trade for vials of test

Well let me know how it turns out then. Haha

 

[Trainghard1212]

I did the idiot move and didn’t do a melt test before I brewed

Dale what's cracking my brother
Hey just wondering about doing a melt test what's the go
Cheers bruv

 

[hangslo]

If its in a proper solution, then it shouldn't crash. If its in a proper solution, then it doesn't want to come out of solution; it would be virtually impossible to remove the solvent/co-solvents. It'll obviously get thick, but I've never had anything crash that I wasn't pushing the boundaries on or experimenting with. Cyp is ridiculously easy to put into solution, but it has a much higher melting point than Enanthate.

I've seen test kits that are limited use that you can buy online, but never have personally used them. Guess I've just always been luck that what I got looked like what I expected it to look/act like.

 

[Dale Denton]

Dale what's cracking my brother
Hey just wondering about doing a melt test what's the go
Cheers bruv

Sorry brotha I didn’t see this in good time. But anyways if you’re asking what a melt test is, basically each compound has a temperature it will melt into liquid at. So your take a small amount of the compound up to temperature to see if it melts at the melting point of said compound.

 

[Trainghard1212]

Sorry brotha I didn’t see this in good time. But anyways if you’re asking what a melt test is, basically each compound has a temperature it will melt into liquid at. So your take a small amount of the compound up to temperature to see if it melts at the melting point of said compound.

Yeah thankyou mate I researched it straight away thanks for heads up I'll try it ..cheers mate

 

[BigPapa2600]

what percent BA and BB do you use for Test Cyp?
My test Cyp is slightly crashing at around 60ishFarenheit at 1.25% BA and 18%BB

If its in a proper solution, then it shouldn't crash. If its in a proper solution, then it doesn't want to come out of solution; it would be virtually impossible to remove the solvent/co-solvents. It'll obviously get thick, but I've never had anything crash that I wasn't pushing the boundaries on or experimenting with. Cyp is ridiculously easy to put into solution, but it has a much higher melting point than Enanthate.

I've seen test kits that are limited use that you can buy online, but never have personally used them. Guess I've just always been luck that what I got looked like what I expected it to look/act like

 

[TheHaus88]

what percent BA and BB do you use for Test Cyp?
My test Cyp is slightly crashing at around 60ishFarenheit at 1.25% BA and 18%BB

2/20 in MCT@200mg should hold in Northern climates. Test C has a tendency to crash when pushed over 200mg. I skipped Test C and went with Test D @400mg. Great for micro dosing and cycles. My problem is I live in a climate that gets warm enough to melt raw Test E in the summer and -30 in the winter.

 

[BigPapa2600]

2/20 in MCT@200mg should hold in Northern climates. Test C has a tendency to crash when pushed over 200mg. I skipped Test C and went with Test D @400mg. Great for micro dosing and cycles. My problem is I live in a climate that gets warm enough to melt raw Test E in the summer and -30 in the winter.

I'm assuming that MCT oil holds the powder in solution better than GSO as the viscosity is lower, I don't want to totally swap out the Grape seed oil with MCT as I've heard some people have reactions to pure MCT oil, have you ever experienced with using 50/50 MCT/GSO? I'm hoping that will hold much better. I made a batch of Cyp at 262.5mg/ml with 1.5%BA and 20%BB and it's holding MUCH better than the Cyp I made with same dosage but 1.5%BA and 18%BB that extra 2%BB really helped. I'm hoping if i throw in 50/50 MCT/GSO in 1.75-2%BA and 20%BB it will hold even better.

 

[hangslo]

I'm assuming that MCT oil holds the powder in solution better than GSO as the viscosity is lower, I don't want to totally swap out the Grape seed oil with MCT as I've heard some people have reactions to pure MCT oil, have you ever experienced with using 50/50 MCT/GSO? I'm hoping that will hold much better. I made a batch of Cyp at 262.5mg/ml with 1.5%BA and 20%BB and it's holding MUCH better than the Cyp I made with same dosage but 1.5%BA and 18%BB that extra 2%BB really helped. I'm hoping if i throw in 50/50 MCT/GSO in 1.75-2%BA and 20%BB it will hold even better.

2/20 will work just fine. Even lower will. If you want to experiment with different carriers, then I would look towards skipping the oil and move onto MIG840 or EO. Both will hold at much higher concentrations much more easily and viscosity is much lower. Just a note, though, don't use cheap stoppers. Since those two are solvents they can damage stoppers that sit for a long time.

 

[1whocares]

I just wanted to chime in and say I use the melt test method to just verify the raw is at least in the neighborhood. If the OP has the ability to control a heat source and slowly increase the heat by the degree or if he wanted to sit there with a laser thermometer and watch it melt, I wonder what temp their test cyp melts at. I know the melt test is not the most reliable but I do it just to see if it all melts at the same temp. If you have part of the sample melt before the rest then you know you have a non homogeneous sample, Wich means there are at least two different things in your sample. If your sample melts early in regards to the appropriate melt temp for the given compound, then you know something is amiss and the same for if you have to heat it way past the known melting temp.