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Anyone ever heard of EPO?

pupeye said:
Its not a roid. From what i understand it increases red blood cells. This in turn carries more oxygen giving better endurance. It also thickens your blood which can be dangerous.
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you are correct. one must be careful with this and not abuse the drug.
 
Turf Toes said:
I see that Marion Jones took this 'roid for endurance. I never heard of it before. Love to get my hands on some.
As has been said, erythropoeitin (EPO) is not a steroid and I'm wondering why you would want it unless you're involved in some sort of endurance activity?
And no... banging your girl for an hour doesn't count as an endurance activity... :p

MaxRep
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MaxRep said:
Turf Toes said:
I see that Marion Jones took this 'roid for endurance. I never heard of it before. Love to get my hands on some.
As has been said, erythropoeitin (EPO) is not a steroid and I'm wondering why you would want it unless you're involved in some sort of endurance activity?
And no... banging your girl for an hour doesn't count as an endurance activity... :p

MaxRep
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Regular juice makes your red blood cell count high too, so what would be the difference between the two? Yea, I do need it for a 5 month academy of endurance. But the banging my girl part wouldn't be bad either.
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in my opinion, the risks from taking EPO are too high for the "endurance boost" you get from it.

just out of curiosity, does this also cause a decrease in the buildup of lactic acid?
 
Turf Toes said:
Regular juice makes your red blood cell count high too, so what would be the difference between the two? Yea, I do need it for a 5 month academy of endurance. But the banging my girl part wouldn't be bad either.
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"so what would be the difference between the two? "

Try a lack of any anabolic activity with EPO. And not all AAS cause a dramatic rise in RBC and the one that does, EQ, needs to be used in moderation as using too much causes RBC to go to dangerous levels. As far as any benefit to a bodybuilder using EPO, nada.

Also, few people know it takes one month of daily usage before EPO causes an increase in RBC. One or more vials of EPO/day for a month... at a cost of $140/vial. The cost of EPO alone, for an anemic cancer patient is estimated at $195,000/year (almost 4 vials/day).

MaxRep
 
LOL Good reply, Max. I had no idea it was that expensive. Not that I've ever given it serious thought, but it does sound relatively beneficial for my fights. Of course, I'd need to fight daily for a year to be able to afford the next year's worth. LOL I don't think that's worth it.
 
What kind of silly shit are you saying?!?! ;) That's crazy! I refuse to lose until I'm fighting for the Pride heavyweight belt...if even then. LOL
 
Good luck with the pride belt Griz....
I've found you can get a course of EPO for nothing more than you'd pay for gh
You need to really educate yourself before you even think of messing with it. I've always wanted a home hematocrit tester. That's the only way I'd give it to fighters. I would love to do this though. It would be beneficial and I suspect a few guys use it in UFC.
 
Grizzly said:
LOL Good reply, Max. I had no idea it was that expensive. Not that I've ever given it serious thought, but it does sound relatively beneficial for my fights. Of course, I'd need to fight daily for a year to be able to afford the next year's worth. LOL I don't think that's worth it.
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Damn, Grizz, $500 a fight? Or were you just joking? If you weren't joking, I hope you move up to the big time and start making some better money.

It's amazing what the elite athletes in the world can afford to pay for their supplements.

As far as the EPO cost, there is a fair amount of controversy in the medical world as to whether the cost outweighs the benefit. Anyone who needs it for valid medical reasons, still had better have really good insurance.

MaxRep

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Nope, no joke. 500 is about right for me. Unless you make it REALLY big in MMA, the payouts suck ass. Even in the UFC, most guys take home 10k or less even if they win. That's why I want to fight in Pride. More respect, better fans and more money(more like 30k for new guys). Maybe I should just switch to boxing and be the next "great white hope". LOL
 
MaxRep said:
"so what would be the difference between the two? "

Try a lack of any anabolic activity with EPO. And not all AAS cause a dramatic rise in RBC and the one that does, EQ, needs to be used in moderation as using too much causes RBC to go to dangerous levels. As far as any benefit to a bodybuilder using EPO, nada.

Also, few people know it takes one month of daily usage before EPO causes an increase in RBC. One or more vials of EPO/day for a month... at a cost of $140/vial. The cost of EPO alone, for an anemic cancer patient is estimated at $195,000/year (almost 4 vials/day).

MaxRep
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Max is the man but his numbers are off. A typical dose for anemia treated with Procrit is 50-100U/kg 3x/wk. 40000U/ml x 4 (1ml vials) cost less than 2 large a month for a 100kg anemic. 10 vials of Epogen at 40000U/ml is less than 5 large which would last a 100kg anemic (say Lyle Alzado) for 10 weeks easy.

Useful doses for an athlete vary depending on your starting hematocrit and endogenous EPO levels but in gear alone you can spend far less on EPO than say hGH on a monthly basis. But unlike hGH you MUST have someone tracking your 'crit. Neither your brain nor your heart nor your kidneys nor Mr. Winky like blood the consistency of sludge.
 
Turf Toes said:
I see that Marion Jones took this 'roid for endurance. I never heard of it before. Love to get my hands on some.


http://www.bloodline.net/stories/storyReader$3144


http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer04/trackandfield/news/story?id=1844888
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Marion's ex-hubby is a total lowlife. He was uniformly disliked by her basketball and track teammates. But that doesn't mean he's lying.

I'm not sure what to believe. Everybody is running hGH, insulin, and epo. As a world class athlete Marion is tested regularly but it's highly unlikely she would get caught unless they actually did titers on c-peptide (which is created with endogenous insulin).

EPO probably exerts a mild benefit in the 400 and possibly even the 200. Then again if you watched Marion run . . . back when she was the bomb . . . she often accelerated from 60m on. Michael Johnson . . . who was likely a walking pharmacy . . . had a similar style in the 200 and 400m.
 
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