Wendylifts
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Sorry if this is old hat or common knowledge and it's not even a steroid, but I'm looking to lean out after my cycle is over and I was reading up on SARMS stuff and this is the only thing that sounded interesting to me.
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Anyone try Cardarine?
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I got to take it for a week during my MK 677 and Ostarine cycle. I only bought enough for a week, improved cardio - all I can say.
I actually leaned out a shit ton eating on deficit with ECA stack + MK-677 and Ostarine and kept ALL THE MUSCLE.
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I actually leaned out a shit ton eating on deficit with ECA stack + MK-677 and Ostarine and kept ALL THE MUSCLE.
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It takes awhile for GW-501516 has mixed reports. Some reports cite cancer, others cite it carcinogenic effects, others claim anti-carcinogenic effects. Regardless, it is a ppar-delta agonist and not something that's been around all that long.
Actually the ratio was even higher in the infamous study. Yes I've heard that line and read that line several times. However, there is more than one study. I think it is important to understand the mechanism of action. It is not a stimulant or beta-2 agonist. There have been several different ppar agonists prior to GW that produced severe results. Also, how does one calculate this "10x more than a human dose"? You would have to postulate that human stomach tissue is identical to that of a rat. It is not. A rat could be more succeptible to certain reactions than a human; or the opposite could be true. In this case, the latter is true if I'm not mistaken. So the "10x" sarms shill line is not totally accurate and leaves out certain variables.
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It is good for endurance and that was about it for me. Didn't notice much fat loss. Definitely would be something to keep in mind if I wanted to do well in a 5k or something.
I think the drive home point was that there are drugs on market for human consumption that has had similar issues in trial and that if one was considering it that alone shouldn't be the determining factor among ones research. And agreeing with you that it is definitely experimental.
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Which other drugs had similar effects on rats? Additionally, why would GSK spend thousands of dollars trying to formulate a medication to fight obesity (the number one cause of preventable death and illness according to some data interpretations), a medication that could yield them ASTRONOMICAL profits, only to abandon the clinical trials? Then after GSK abandoned the trials they took it a step further and informed WADA that the drug had enough potential to cause cancer that WADA needed to inform the various sports they regulate. Among those who have been said to have used it is none other than cancer survivor Lance Armstrong. Now I don't have proof that his cancer was caused by GW, but it is worth mentioning.
Now quick, make sure we inform GSK that their research was not for naught and they jumped the gun in abandoning the project!
I'm waiting for you to cite the professional opinion of anybody with any credibility refuting the cancer affinity; this does not include other "well-intentioned" boards claiming it's "g2g."
I'm definitely not going to spend the time or energy citing a professional source for refuting the cancer in rats on cranked dosages....I'm not sure what you're trying to prove since I told you that it is a truth that was a concern, but that I wouldn't tell someone NO DONT based off of rat studies with varied results. Calm down kiddo... I've used it. Told her what she asked for. [emoji6][emoji6] Enjoy.
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There is no need to calm down because nobody is worked up. I find the opinion of the company who created the substance more credible than the anecdotal opinion of a person who couldn't be bothered with producing a scientific journal (and probably never read it). I value the opinion of GSK as opposed to the opinion of somebody who is recommending SARMs as a viable option. I value the opinion of the patent holder over the opinion of somebody who resorts to the ole "poisoning the well" fallacy because she's getting called on her SARMs-quackery.
"I'm not sure what you're trying to prove since I told you that it is a truth that was a concern, but that I wouldn't tell someone NO DONT based off of rat studies with varied results." I'm assuming English is not your first language? No offense but I have no clue what you said there.
It also seems as if you are very quick to disregard the fact that the company itself stopped moving forward with their research by choice, not because the FDA forced them to.
You "definitely" cannot be bothered with producing a single professional empirical source but you definitely can be bothered with resorting to anecdotal information.
"Mixed reports your words." Context ma'am, context.
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I personally researched the chemical before I used it. Just as I do everything else I use, but am not going to go back and reproduce something to prove something to you, who has no questions about it since you seem to know it all. I'm also not going to waste time on YOU, when I answered the OP's question. Questioning my English is juvenile, which leads me to think you're worked up sweetie, since that's neither here nor there with our discussion.
For those who misunderstood, or you:
-----I'm not sure what you're trying to prove since I told you that it is a truth that was a concern, but that I wouldn't tell someone NO DONT based off of rat studies with varied results.
There's no improper spelling or grammar darling, but since maybe it wasn't broken down enough for you, I'll assist you.
I am not sure what your argument is trying to prove since I conceded that it is a truth (a true fact, not a lie, not an opinion) that was a concern (that being the only thing we were discussing, carcinogenic possibilities I'm sorry you couldn't deduct that much), but (means I have a different opinion) I (meaning me) wouldn't tell someone NO DONT (insist it's a bad idea) based off of rat studies (rats not being human proof) with varied results (your words, my words, and scientific proof).
I did not disregard the fact of them stopping the research. I said two things 1) I've used it. Helps with endurance but theres better stuff for what the OP wants and 2) don't dismiss something off varied results with varying dosages
Anyone try cardarine? Yes I have, did nothing but for cardio. Looking to lean out post cycle - I suggest ECA stack with Ostarine and MK-677 if you wish to go that route as I know that will help with leanness and retain that muscle you put on during cycle.
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You took the time to type all of that and yet you can't take the time to use an advanced Google search and specify ".org" as the TLD?
I didn't attack your typing, I genuinely had no clue what you were trying to say because it was not very coherent. You also continuously use words in a malapropist manner.
If you look at the history, ma'am, you challenged me on the cancer, not the other way around. You've cited rats vs humans but left out many variables and disregarded the most damning fact: GSK discontinued research on their own due to the carcinogenic effects that they, the IP, discovered during trials, on a drug that on the surface had huge potential.
If you have a problem with me asking for peer reviewed proof of your claims, that is not my problem. In our hobby there is a lot of shillary. When it comes to stomach polyps, I have no problems with upsetting somebody with anecdotal-based knowledge in search for the truth.
Really????!? You recommend a suppressive agent with only MILDLY proven anabolism affinity in a PCT regimen???? Do tell!
She asked for anecdotal proof. "Has anyone used..." qualified my answer. You don't seem to have used, so I simply said don't disregard or better yet don't waste her time with the varied results. There was no malapropisms in my writing.
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Ostarine is mildly suppressive for men in high doses. Her being a woman taking the typical dosage isn't going to suppress anything that would matter as far as being PCT or not. Especially since she is a she. Come on guy.
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You're really reaching now.
