Are These People Christians

[Bob Smith]

Always educated and thought-provoking, my friend.

 

[Hogg]

I feel like I know less each day I learn more......I guess what I am trying to say is, you could walk every day of your life and still not come to full consciousness......it is odd. I wonder how the truly bright people in this world have come to grips with it.

 

[garyzilla]

Your right Hogg, He who is without sin cast the first stone. But here is the rest of that line, go and sin no more.

 

[dolfe1]

I feel like I know less each day I learn more......I guess what I am trying to say is, you could walk every day of your life and still not come to full consciousness......it is odd. I wonder how the truly bright people in this world have come to grips with it.

The paradox of true wisdom.

 

[crewboss]

torture those faggots

LMFAO!!!

 

[dolfe1]

Fear of the lash is no reason to seek salvation.....Christ save me from being beaten? I dont think so, rather, it is a desire to serve your creator that drives the quest for salvation.....he is our father because without him, we would be little more than primordial dust. Physics, not even from the bible......simple physics. God created mass and energy, from mass and energy came us. Science proves the existence of God to many, others find it in the bible....perhaps we have many different avenues to ground us in our faith.

Christ came and spoke to man......man was perhaps far less intellectually adept as we are today....and perhaps the bible was written for those of the period.....later translated into the king james....on to the NIV....etc.....for sake of allowing man to know his creator.....obviously the constant evolution of the text suggests and the miriad of interpretations of biblical passages suggests that the age of man is a factor in understanding God's message.

But age of man notwithstanding, I would still kiss his feet if he appeared to me today.......and even without his appearance, I feel his presence.....when I fuck up, I know he is watching, if I let 'G-D' slip from my lips in a moment of frustration, I immediately feel repenant .....because I dont want to piss him off, he is the reason I am here.....he is the one I serve....yet, I'm not about to call some hypocrit my brother simply because he attends church....the same guy who screws around on his wife, networks before and after the sermon, lies, I'll judge his worthiness of my fellowship for myself thank you very much.....and so be it if other sworn "Christians" consider me the scourge of the earth for being skeptic. God gave me a very powerful brain and such a brain questions everything in pursuit of enlightenment.......and I'll take my licks, if I am not worthy of being saved because I occassionally fuck up and use four letter words, or let a "G-D" slip even though I know better, or though I would never bang another man's wife or girlfriend, I might wonder what she looks like mounted on the end of my prong, then hey, I tried.....I'm much less of a sinner today than I was a few years ago and I get better with each day. I give it my best effort and if I came up short, I cant control it....that is God's decision....but it sure as hell is not the decision of some bible thumper at the local Calvary Chapel who is so full of contradiction he cant untie his lies long enough to read his watch. FUCK EM. God is my judge, no one else......

One other thing about "Christians" there are those "Christians" who might judge me for seeking knowledge, for being skeptical, and for being very selective in who I have fellowship with...perhaps consider me 'not CHristian'......yet, these same people can use the word "nigger" amongst themselves and not feel bad about it.....hypocrits.....the sinful heart of man..... remember kids, we are in the midst of a spiritual battle every day.....that guy who gives off the aire of being angelic might very well have ill intentions in his heart.

is your heart pure? Is your faith relentless? I would wager that God is more concerned about these issues than whether or not you make it to the sermon at 7:00PM on tuesday nights.

Further, I am not very amiable to the prospect of being classified as "Christian" or "Catholic" as these are merely labels that man has created. Rather, were it necessary for me to bear a title, I would prefer "Ardent believer in God".....I believe this sums it up nicely and leaves me non-denominational - thus free to discuss God and have fellowship with whomever I choose and to seek enlightenment of my own accord wherever my path takes me. Were it that my faith was not pure, why would I bother trying to learn about God in the first place?

End of rant.

By the way, I love pussy and I'm not married though I have sex with one woman and we have every intention of marrying as soon as she can kick her siblings out of her house and put it up for sale......am I unworthy of salvation because I have sex with this woman? Is she unworthy? Mind you, she goes to bible study and carries a bible with her every day of the week as she is just now beginning to learn about the Word (lifelong Catholic who was taught nothing about God by her church). If she is unworthy as a result of having sex without marriage, with her undenying love of God and her quest to learn more about him, then we're all fucked.

Hogg you are actual not a true skeptic, last word I highlighted is the reason.

 

[thick]

good point there phreez. I dont agree with abortion but favor cap. punishment. Although I do feel that they are two different situations and shouldn't be compared evenly

And if you want to think about something interesting..

Consider this.. Most people who oppose abortion favor capital punishment.. and those who favor abortion tend to oppose capital punishment... Neither makes much sense if you ask me...but if you think I'm wrong on this..ask around.. you'll be suprised.

 

[Bob Smith]

I feel like I know less each day I learn more......I guess what I am trying to say is, you could walk every day of your life and still not come to full consciousness......it is odd. I wonder how the truly bright people in this world have come to grips with it.

The more one learns, the more they realize how much they dont know.

 

[Hogg]

Your right Hogg, He who is without sin cast the first stone. But here is the rest of that line, go and sin no more.

Right, I am aware of the passage..... tell me who among us is capable of sinning no longer. And whom you are talking about was an adulterer.....was he saying 'dont screw around anymore'? or was he saying, "live as pure as I do even though I know you cannot"? We are bound to fuck up though one with a pure heart will always be repenant after he realizes what happens..and perhaps that same person may walk away from many different forms of sin by conscience alone - the influence of God in one's life - but as I mentioned earlier, no matter who you are, you are not pure enough, you will always sin. Were it possible that we could exist without sinning, God would not have sent Christ. We were fucked in the garden.....at that time, there were very few rules, and man still breached the contract. The Jews were given many more rules.....and cracked under the load. Christ came and put a spin on the rules, yet pointed to a greater message in his teachings..... and though we might be able to follow the premise, we are still going to be sinners since we essentially know nothing but sin.

2004 years ago, man thought he knew the answers, and he killed Christ.

 

[garyzilla]

Right, I am aware of the passage..... tell me who among us is capable of sinning no longer. And whom you are talking about was an adulterer.....was he saying 'dont screw around anymore'? or was he saying, "live as pure as I do even though I know you cannot"? We are bound to fuck up though one with a pure heart will always be repenant after he realizes what happens..and perhaps that same person may walk away from many different forms of sin by conscience alone - the influence of God in one's life - but as I mentioned earlier, no matter who you are, you are not pure enough, you will always sin. Were it possible that we could exist without sinning, God would not have sent Christ. We were fucked in the garden.....at that time, there were very few rules, and man still breached the contract. The Jews were given many more rules.....and cracked under the load. Christ came and put a spin on the rules, yet pointed to a greater message in his teachings..... and though we might be able to follow the premise, we are still going to be sinners since we essentially know nothing but sin.

2004 years ago, man thought he knew the answers, and he killed Christ.

I believe Jesus is tell her to not screw around anymore. But it does not mean that she will not sin again. If you can find a person that does not sin anymore, after they accept Christ, then let me know, because I would like to meet that person. As you and I both know, such a person does not exist. The only human without sin is Christ. There are two types of sins, sins of "Commission" and sins of "Omission" Also, Jesus was telling her that the only way you can sin no more is believing in me. I believe that her being an adulterer is not the point. Jesus still says the same thing to us today. You know what you did was wrong, and you have asked forgivness, now go and sin no more.

 

[Hogg]

You know what you did was wrong, and you have asked forgivness, now go and sin no more.

Right GZ, but this is where it gets fuzzy for me. "Go and sin no more" even though he knows she, by virtue of being human, is destined to sin....perhaps not adultery next time, perhaps in some other manner, but she will nevertheless sin again. There is no way that she will 'sin no more'....she is human, she is a sinner by creation, walked out of the womb into the bondage of sin.

 

[garyzilla]

Right GZ, but this is where it gets fuzzy for me. "Go and sin no more" even though he knows she, by virtue of being human, is destined to sin....perhaps not adultery next time, perhaps in some other manner, but she will nevertheless sin again. There is no way that she will 'sin no more'....she is human, she is a sinner by creation, walked out of the womb into the bondage of sin.

I understand. As a pastor and sin everyday. The differance is are the sins know and unknown. Meaning I know and am willfully committing this act of sin. Versus i am doing an act of sin and not aware that what I just did was sin. I believe that both are possible. When Jesus says "Go and sin no more" he means just that, but the empisas is make sure you do know sin knowingly.

 

[Grizzly]

If it makes you feel better, Phreeze, I'm a big fan of abortion and I am a HUGE fan of capital punishment, but not the way it is currently done. I think it's a bit too humane of a way to go for those that receive it for raping, torturing and mutilating their victims.

 

[Grizzly]

What steps do you take to find a greater meaning?

Why does there have to be a "greater meaning"? Do deer, buffalo, trees, squirrels, etc. have a higher purpose in their existence? No. Why, then, should we think we're all that fucking special?

I find it humorous that humans believe themselves to be so important. Dust to dust, man. That's all there is to it and to ourselves.

 

[dolfe1]

Why does there have to be a "greater meaning"? Do deer, buffalo, trees, squirrels, etc. have a higher purpose in their existence? No. Why, then, should we think we're all that fucking special?

I find it humorous that humans believe themselves to be so important. Dust to dust, man. That's all there is to it and to ourselves.

Those are Chips words, and we are special if you believe the Bible.

 

[Grizzly]

I don't.

 

[dolfe1]

I don't.

Well hey buddy you're still special in my book.

 

[Chip Bronson]

Those are Chips words, and we are special if you believe the Bible.

dolfe, with all due respect, those are your words, from just a day ago. see below...

dolfe1
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Joined: Dec 2003

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Originally Posted by Chip Bronson
i gave a pretty good outline of my beliefs under the thread 'the passions of christ'. sorry, i just don't feel like writing it over again.
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What steps do you take to find a greater meaning? Religion has really sparked my interest in the last two years, maybe I take after my father, I would consider him a religious expert. The reason I ask is you seem inteligent and I like to hear the opinions of people who choose to explore religion. Have you read any good books?

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[Grizzly]

And here I thought pressing the "reply with quote" button would have made it obvious.

 

[Chip Bronson]

Why does there have to be a "greater meaning"? Do deer, buffalo, trees, squirrels, etc. have a higher purpose in their existence? No. Why, then, should we think we're all that fucking special?

I find it humorous that humans believe themselves to be so important. Dust to dust, man. That's all there is to it and to ourselves.

for all we know deer, buffalo, trees, squirrels, etc may very well have a 'greater meaning'. how can you say no? have you ever asked one? have they ever responded to you? i'm not kidding either.

and it's not that humans necessarily think themselves to be so important. at least i don't. but while i am here on earth (i subscribe to your idea of dust to dust, btw), i would like contribute in a positive manner to the world i live in. this is what i'm concerned with and this is why i don't believe in the concept salvation through christ, the church or what have you. i don't feel i need to be saved like my christian brothers believe on this board. saved from what? from whom? saved when? saved how? according to the dictates of the bible? no thanks. i'll pass, thank you.

heaven and hell is here and now, not some fairy tale place described in the scriptures. i could be wrong here though because, as i've previously stated, i'm on a journey and i haven't yet reached the end of it. i don't foresee ever doing so either. for this reason, doing what i deem to be good acts is how i create a little piece of 'heaven' in this world for myself and loved ones.