Are These People Christians

Religion is one of those fields that I wish I knew more about. Most of everything I know about religion comes from taking a class on Old Testament, a class on New Testament, and a class on Jesus's life in college. Besides that, I just squat in front of the TV all day during Christmas and watch the History Channel non-stop.

I also believe that if God wills water, it will rain. However, that doesnt answer the question because God may have not willed Noah or the Red Sea and it could just be story or myth. I hope I have been clear.

[MK]

P.S. And I know next to nothing about Eastern Religions or Islam.
 
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Mark, Ill do some checking around. I think there is actually a good amount of research on the validity of a global flood.
 
There is, but don't act for one second that it is the property of Chrtistian mythos. That story is in multiple religion's mythos.
 
One thing is for sure and that is religion is a endless topic and i think the words that "every man must work out his own salvation" kinda sums it up in a nut shell.
 
Bob Smith said:
Mark, Ill do some checking around. I think there is actually a good amount of research on the validity of a global flood.


Does anyone on this board realize that religion is a made up entity. Created by people in power at the time to fit their political and social needs and to control the masses. I can't be the only one who believes in evolution and takes the side of science against this guy who lives in the sky who does magic whenever he feels like it.

Ace.
 
Ace42 said:
Does anyone on this board realize that religion is a made up entity. Created by people in power at the time to fit their political and social needs and to control the masses. I can't be the only one who believes in evolution and takes the side of science against this guy who lives in the sky who does magic whenever he feels like it.

Ace.
You make it sound like science is only on the side of atheists.
 
Ace42 said:
Does anyone on this board realize that religion is a made up entity. Created by people in power at the time to fit their political and social needs and to control the masses. I can't be the only one who believes in evolution and takes the side of science against this guy who lives in the sky who does magic whenever he feels like it.

Ace.


This arguement always kills me..lol.. We as a group (man).. Can't even go back to the moon.. We Can't cure cancer or aids.. or even the common cold for that matter....We can't even come up with a clean burning fuel... But our science is so Advanced that it has disproved God??? lol.. That's rich bro.. Our science can't even agree on how old the earth is...or what causes ALS.. or even come up with a medicine that can kill a virus (sheer luck that we came up with something to kill bacteria).. We as humans are very vain indeed if we (who can't even get off of this mud ball) believe that it is not possible that there is a God..
 
The very definition of science does not allow it to disprove God for two major reasons:

1) Science requires empirical evidence. Religion does not. That means science and religion use essentially contradictory burdens of proof.

2) Metaphysical systems cannot be disproven by physical systems. "Meta" means "behind" or "hidden". Meta implies the part of something that is not immediately visible, is in the background, but which is there nonetheless and has an effect. (According to Frederick M. Ahl, Professor of Ancient Greek Literature at the Cornell University Classics Department.)

[MK]
 
Apparently when we were at the Moon before, we totally trashed the place! Now the Moon wont invite us back!

[MK]
 
Grizzly said:
Since when can't we get back to the moon? What's the story there, Phreeze?


Has it happened Grizz?? Are there any plans for it to happen again?

Why do you think that is? There are even some theories (Not that I buy into the conspiracy stuff) that we actually never even landed on the moon.. That it was all staged for the sole purpose of boosting American's Morale in the space program.. IE to appear as though we beat the russians... http://batesmotel.8m.com/ (not saying I believe this..but it's a current conspiracy)
 
Yeah, I've heard that theory before. What do we need to go back to the moon for anyway. It's boring. If they can land shit on Mars, then I'd say the moon is a piece of cake.

But, now I get it. You didn't mean "science CAN"T get us back to the moon" you mean that we didn't feel like going there anymore. OK.
 
I, personally, never buy into conspiracy theories. For the moon landing to be a cover-up, it would have to involve several hunded, if not thousands of people working at NASA. If you have ever tried to keep a secret amongst three friends, you know how hard keeping that many people quiet would be. They also did a show on the History Channel completely making Oliver Stone and other JFK conspiracy-freaks look like fools. They basically debunked every conspiracy claim made.

There is another conspiracy I think is funny. There are people who say that 9/11 was planned by the Bush Administration. Yeah, The President of the United States killed close to 5000 American civilians without any evidence to link it back to him, and yet he totally blew it on the WMD's? Hmmm...

Its funny to see on TV how the same political commentator will say, "Bush is using the Patriot Act to take away all of our rights, he is the master-mind behind the destruction of our Constitution!" and then on the other hand say "Bush? Oh he is an idiot! He has no intelligence whatsoever!" So which is he? Criminal Mastermind or Bumbling Idiot?

[MK]

P.S. I am not saying you do either Phreezer.
 
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Ace42 said:
Does anyone on this board realize that religion is a made up entity. Created by people in power at the time to fit their political and social needs and to control the masses. I can't be the only one who believes in evolution and takes the side of science against this guy who lives in the sky who does magic whenever he feels like it.

Ace.


ahhhh, an evolutionist......good, now let me ask you this, I suspect that you are a proponent of Darwinian theory and I will agree that species definitely evolve as a result of their environment. However, I'm hard pressed to see where Darwin, or Stephen Jay Gould for that matter, have explained the time-space continuum, the source of the first quanta of energy in the universe, mass, why physics can explain nearly everything in our universe thus implying that the universe follows some form of order (and if someone brings up entropy, I'll kick you because entropy is a process that can be explained mathematically....via physics)...anyway, I'm sure you get my point. The reason that Darwin and people like Gould cannot explain these things is because they are BIOLOGISTS......biologists are not hard scientists, they observe, and the only mathematics that they use, in 99% of their work, is statistics and probability - whereas hard science is such that one can predict an outcome based on a set of parameters.....biologists cannot predict an outcome mathematically, they can only share a probability based on empirical data => observation.

Man probably evolved from apes up to a point.....however, at some juncture, man ascended to a higher level of consciousness. I do not doubt that the Cambrian fish became terrestrial. I do not doubt the existence of dinosaurs since I can drive to the la brea tarpits and see the proof myself....however, I have to believe that at some point, man became intelligent and if you consider certain passages in the book of genesis (all you scripture-citers probably know page and line number which in this illustration is worthless - concept, words mean little in terms of the bigger picture) anyway, within the book of genesis, it talks of the earth being essentially nothing for a period of time prior to the first day....this period could very well account for the ice age and all the other wonderful stuff like the little ugly fish and dinosaurs and paleolithic man, but after this period in genesis, man became conscious and this story of the bible (essentially a piece of recorded history whether true or not) began.

Tying this all together, the study of science ultimately leads us to a singularity where we find that a supreme being is at the center of the universe though we cannot see him or interact with him. It puzzles me that many biologists do not believe in God. But bear in mind that Sir Isaac Newton, father of kinematics and the calculus amongst other things, said (paraphrasing) "if you cannot explain something mathematically, you know very little about it". Now mathematics can neither prove nor deny the existence of God, yet most scientists acknowledge, as a result of their analysis, that the natural order of things suggests that we are the product of a higher power. Biologists.....well, I guess they have studied monkeys enough to conclude that there is no God, though they cannot see all else that is around them....nor look to the sky in the black of night and question just how infinite the universe is and why it came to be in the first place. I guess the monkeys told them that God does not exist.
 
OUCH!!

It should be pointed out that "Darwinian Evolution" is considered bad science. Evolutionist today claim that evolution does not take place gradually over a long period of time (as Darwin claimed), but instead occurs in bursts. They changed Darwin's theory to compensate for the pre-Cambrian Explosion (the time period in which there was just single celled organisms, and then in a VERY short period time-a geological blink of an eye-there were many different phylla and species) and the lack of "Missing Links" to man.

Most biologists do believe that animals can evolve, but only to a certain point (basically textbook adaptation, such as rabbits with white fur during snowy winters). The controversy is whether a species can evolve into an entirely NEW species. This is why you can catapult rabbits into the air for a million years, but they wont grow wings.

[MK]
 
Phreezer said:
This arguement always kills me..lol.. We as a group (man).. Can't even go back to the moon.. We Can't cure cancer or aids.. or even the common cold for that matter....We can't even come up with a clean burning fuel... But our science is so Advanced that it has disproved God??? lol.. That's rich bro.. Our science can't even agree on how old the earth is...or what causes ALS.. or even come up with a medicine that can kill a virus (sheer luck that we came up with something to kill bacteria).. We as humans are very vain indeed if we (who can't even get off of this mud ball) believe that it is not possible that there is a God..


I didn't say it was impossible for there to be a god. It's just more believeable that there isn't.
 
Grizzly said:
Since when can't we get back to the moon? What's the story there, Phreeze?


And curing the common cold seems to be under control as well. And if Magic Johnson didn't exist i would agree with the fact that there is no cure for AIDS. For now i think it's just available for the wealthy.

Ace.
 
i really dont see how anyone with any semblance of intelligence can honestly look at the stars in the night sky, and really believe that all was just chance.....its pretty obvious to me that a benevolent creator made all this.....and then said " IT IS GOOD "
 
Wow! I miss one day on here and there's a 6 page thread that has taught me a lot. I'll just add that it's wrong to hate a person or group of people, period. And again, this was definitely a great thread. Peace to all.
 
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