Arimidex or Aromasin for pct

[john11]

So started my first ever cycle last week! ( 100mg anadrol a day and 500mg cypionate once a week ) am searching around for pct advice once the ten weeks is over.
I am thinking about Aromasin or Arimidex only. This is what i found out:
" Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor which lowers estradiol, a form of estrogen. Estrogen feeds back negatively on luteinizing hormone (LH), the main stimulant of testosterone production. By lowering estradiol, feedback inhibition is decreased, LH goes up, and more testosterone is produced."
However people seem to be more into taking nolvadex or clomid, but these only block estrogen from getting through to the receptors, arimidex and aromasin get rid of estrogen all together. Aren't these better? as the AI's go to the root of the problem.
I have not read it anywhere but am thinking that if clomid and nolvadex tricks the body into thinking there is not enough estrogen, then the body will make more estrogen, which is generally undesirable. At least with the AI's if the body tries to make more estrogen the AI's can block it.

Also, what do you think about staying on the AI's or clomid nolvadex after the pct is over, say for about an additional 6 weeks. As these boost testosterone do they have any beneficial effects on body building gains or general well being. The AI's seem safe but there are claims against nolvadex and clomid of raising bad fat levels, sbhg and being hepatoxic to the liver. How true is this, or is it people worrying over nothing.

Thanks.

 

[ickyrica]

Neither

 

[LeoTC]

Crashing E2 is bad...

 

[KetoMuscles]

Nolva/clomid seems to be the go to pct. But I kinda think it's a bit aggressive. So if you're a hard starter or doing a heavy cycle it might be the way to go.
I personally am going to do a low dose cycle so I didn't want to use clomid. I have hcg for on cycle and then aromasin and nova for pct. Apparently Arimidex doesn't work well with nolva. Anyways read up on the nova/aromasin protocol.

 

[Sven_Northman]

So started my first ever cycle last week! ( 100mg anadrol a day and 500mg cypionate once a week ) am searching around for pct advice once the ten weeks is over.
I am thinking about Aromasin or Arimidex only. This is what i found out:
" Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor which lowers estradiol, a form of estrogen. Estrogen feeds back negatively on luteinizing hormone (LH), the main stimulant of testosterone production. By lowering estradiol, feedback inhibition is decreased, LH goes up, and more testosterone is produced."
However people seem to be more into taking nolvadex or clomid, but these only block estrogen from getting through to the receptors, arimidex and aromasin get rid of estrogen all together. Aren't these better? as the AI's go to the root of the problem.
I have not read it anywhere but am thinking that if clomid and nolvadex tricks the body into thinking there is not enough estrogen, then the body will make more estrogen, which is generally undesirable. At least with the AI's if the body tries to make more estrogen the AI's can block it.

Also, what do you think about staying on the AI's or clomid nolvadex after the pct is over, say for about an additional 6 weeks. As these boost testosterone do they have any beneficial effects on body building gains or general well being. The AI's seem safe but there are claims against nolvadex and clomid of raising bad fat levels, sbhg and being hepatoxic to the liver. How true is this, or is it people worrying over nothing.

Thanks.

You need to do some more research bud.

An AI is taken on cycle to keep E2 in check. Your E2 will naturally be higher on cycle and the ratio of Test to E2 is more important than the number. Everyone reacts differently to AI's.

General consensus is 12.5mg EOD on cycle if using Aromasin. The only way to know if your E2 is being controlled is blood tests. As high and low estro symptoms are similar. Look it up. If you crash your E2 on cycle gains will cease and your dick will go limp mode.

DO NOT take an AI in PCT. A SERM is completely different than an Aromatase Inhibitor. Research and know the difference and why.

Clomid sides do not affect everyone equally. I personally have zero issues with clomid. Get both clomid and nolva. You will find a hundred different ways its dosed. Again, lots of posts here on protocol.

Something like:
Week 1: 50mg Clomid and 40mg Nolva (split dose morning/early eve)
Week 2: Same
Week 3: 25mg Clomid and 20mg Nolva
Week 4: Same

Some go higher with Clomid (100mg) first few days of 1st week. But that just increases likelihood of side effects and is a waste IMHO.

Get some HCG for on cycle. Keep the balls full and happy. Starting around week 2 pin 250iu twice a week. Take a 2 week break mid cycle. Then get back on it.

Pin 500iu of HCG EOD 10 days after your last pin. Then on day 21 start your Clomid/Nolva.

I did this on my last (and very first) 14 week run of Test E @ 500/week. Recovered very well and felt great. Others will of course do it differently but it worked for me.

 

[Sven_Northman]

Oh and don't start your cycle until you have your PCT on hand. Its a bad idea not to and poor planning.

I missed the part in your post where you said to stay on the Serms for 6 weeks after the first 4. Don't, just don't. Dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. LOL.

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Both aromasin and adex work fine for on cycle E2 control. The difference is if you want to dose ED go with aromasin. If you want to dose twice a week go with adex.

 

[john11]

Thanks! As a first timer i am confused and really will appreciate some advice. As experienced people i am sure you are rolling your eyes in disbelief at the noobness on display. Yes, i have searched around but am getting too much conflicting stuff.
EG: "Very effective anti-aromatase drugs (such as Letrozole or Anastrazole) have been introduced. They will fight gynecomastia, help prevent the anti-anabolic actions of estrogens, fight fat and water retention. They will also boost natural testosterone production far more effectively than Nolvadex. So, it is up to you to decide whether you wish impair your rate of progression with an outdated drug or move on to the 21st century."
And concerning the use of AI's after a cycle and pct are over:
"Arimidex lowers Estrogen which feeds back negatively on luteinizing hormone (LH), the main stimulant of testosterone production. By lowering estradiol, feedback inhibition is decreased, LH goes up, and more testosterone is produced. "
"Aromasin increases endogenous natural Testosterone levels in men by 60%, which is considerably significant especially after only a 10-day period. "
There are lots of posts about older guys in their 50's being put on clomid by their doctor to boost test production.

Thanks.

 

[The Terminator]

Thanks! As a first timer i am confused and really will appreciate some advice. As experienced people i am sure you are rolling your eyes in disbelief at the noobness on display. Yes, i have searched around but am getting too much conflicting stuff.
EG: "Very effective anti-aromatase drugs (such as Letrozole or Anastrazole) have been introduced. They will fight gynecomastia, help prevent the anti-anabolic actions of estrogens, fight fat and water retention. They will also boost natural testosterone production far more effectively than Nolvadex. So, it is up to you to decide whether you wish impair your rate of progression with an outdated drug or move on to the 21st century."
And concerning the use of AI's after a cycle and pct are over:
"Arimidex lowers Estrogen which feeds back negatively on luteinizing hormone (LH), the main stimulant of testosterone production. By lowering estradiol, feedback inhibition is decreased, LH goes up, and more testosterone is produced. "
"Aromasin increases endogenous natural Testosterone levels in men by 60%, which is considerably significant especially after only a 10-day period. "
There are lots of posts about older guys in their 50's being put on clomid by their doctor to boost test production.

Thanks.

Not gonna lie that sounds like rubbish from some steroid forum. AI’s can lead to an increase in T, esp in obese men. Dr’s actually sometimes use clomifine and to a lesser extent tamoxifen as the sole drug in hormone replacement therapy esp when fertility is desired. Also Idk where this guy gets his info from, E is not “anti-anabolic,” in fact you will find more issues with low E, including less gainz, even read studies that say low E can possibly cause people to hold more fat. I did read a study that said 100mg of exemestane daily resulted in a 40% increase in T levels after 36 weeks. But they also mentioned that no improvement in lbm was observed likely due to reduced E levels.

The goal isn’t to crush your E levels, believe me you don’t want that. I had way more issues with low E than I did with low T. Even for gcm (gyno) a serm would be more effective since they block the receptors in the breast tissue that E will bind to. Now if the goal is to lower E levels cause you think it’s causing bloat or whatever, then AI would be superior.