Armidex regimen problems

[Dopamineloveaffair]

Most men, as seen by those on cycles, seem to get leaner and lose weight when keeping estrogen on the low side. Estrogen I believe is deleterious to thyroid hormone, so if anything you should be experiencing the exact opposite problem.

I can tell with myself, that when I get my estrogen levels too low, I get extremely lean and my metabolic rate increases.

Is it possible there is some other factor causing the associated weight gain? Your estrogen level at 24 seems pretty much ideal, although what's ideal for some is not for others.

 

[Jeton]

I have tried nearly every form of TRT there is to find one that was effective, made me feel well, and was low maintenance. I had read were some progressive docs were using A'dex at 1mg per day to suppress estrogen and trick the negative feedback system into producing more T. I worked for me since I am not primary hypo. Before therapy my TT was 350-450 on avg, so it doubled it. At T level of 700-800 for a 43 year old is not median, it's the upper quartile of the range. Its where I want to be.

T creams did not raise my levels much. Injectables were a major hassel, and HCG skyrocketed my E2. The only other modality I have found with the most favorable results are pellets. Next to A'dex I like them very much and will probably go back on them, but I wanted to see how I felt first by getting off the A'dex properly. I wasn't sure if I should just taper off or if I need to do some type of PCT in an attempt to properly restart things(if that really works for these bodybuilders...I don't know).

You can google the weight gain and find numerous sites with many women talking about it.

Femera is way to powerful in my opinion killing 98% of all estrogen. It is no wonder you cramp and have low sex drive. Your E2 is to low, plain and simple. I bet your joints ache as well. Feeling any carpel tunnel in your hands?

nope, no aching joints *generally*, or carpal tunnel...i had the latter for almost 2 years back in the early 90's and wore a brace for it, so i know what it feels like. however, during sex or when otherwise holding a bent-joint posture for any duration, mild cramp and strain sets in alot earlier, so i have to vary positions more. i'm alot more careful and paranoid in the gym too.

as for adex dosing, many steroid/bodybuilding sites suggest the 1/2 or 1/4 adex every other day dosing as sufficient for most men...my peak T is around 1600 the day after my shot and around 800 at trough, and i'm looking to eventually settle into your E2 neighborhood (mid-20s/mid-30s) after i've finished off the Femara. From what i read here and elsewhere, Femara's the best of the gyno-killers, and 5 weeks in my lump has gone from a firm, barely moveable penny-sized spheroid lump into a more squishy pea-sized lump that shifts position slightly. i'm giving it 12 weeks and then plan on switching to adex 1/4 pill EOD for the long term. i'm on a cyp450-3a4 inhibitor so I should metabolize it more slowly, and a few weeks into that i''ll retest E2 levels.

personally i find the once-weekly injections the lowest-hassle/biggest benefit TRT modality, the gels were a hassle in every way (sticky clothes, paranoid when hugging women/children, poor absorption on sweaty/humid days, uneven levels, etc).

now i got some googling to do...

 

[Jeton]

Most men, as seen by those on cycles, seem to get leaner and lose weight when keeping estrogen on the low side. Estrogen I believe is deleterious to thyroid hormone, so if anything you should be experiencing the exact opposite problem.

I can tell with myself, that when I get my estrogen levels too low, I get extremely lean and my metabolic rate increases.

Is it possible there is some other factor causing the associated weight gain? Your estrogen level at 24 seems pretty much ideal, although what's ideal for some is not for others.

honestly i've been waiting for this "dry look" to kick in, half-expecting myself to get leaner just by sneezing. instead, my gym numbers (weight/#reps) took a hit for a week and then got back on an upward track, and my body composition has stayed exactly the same...same diet and exercise regimen. i'm 5 weeks into having almost no estrogen.

i wonder if now is the time to try intensive aerobics...perhaps having no estrogen will maximize fat loss and minimize muscle loss?

 

[Vforcer2]

I thought an update might be useful. After having been on several types of T therapy for several years I ceased all of them in lieu of trying just Arimidex. Read this thread for the particulars if interested.

I tapered off as advised and have been off for 2 months or more now. Just got some new labs this week and was surprised at the results. Apparently I have managed a successful restart by using the Arimidex for the previous year or so.

I am no hormones except Armour Thyroid 3.5 grains.

Total T: 560
E2: 42

While the E2 needs to come down, I am surprised that my T levels are actually not that bad. If someone has some natural suggestions to lower my E2, please advise. If I can do that T levels should go even higher.

BTW, I don't know if this could have anything to do with it but I recently had a stint placed and am on meds for cardiovascular disease. These meds include Toporol, Plavix, Asprin, and Linsinopril.

 

[zkt]

I just recently went thru the treatment and subsequent death of a metastatic ER+ inflammatory breast cancer parient. ER+ means that the cancer cell have estrogen receptors and that estrogen acts like growth factor to the tumor cell. You dont have very many estrogen receptors and the ones that you do have were put there by the evolutionary process for a reason. She had a lot of cancer cells and a lot of estrogen receptors. She was taking 2.5 mg/d. And you have been taking 1mg/d for a couple years? I have no idea what you have done to yourself and how to fix it. Most studies link estrogen levels to atherosclerosis inversely. Hows your calcium score? I`m sorry for being so harsh but this takes the cake. Hope you are only in a pickle. If I can help lemme know.

It has been a while since I have contributed to this forum, and I find myself in a bit of a pickle and could use some advice.

I have been on 1mg of Armidex for a couple of years now. It has done a great job of keeping my total T between 700-800 and free T over the top of the range.

Now for the problem. I have been gaining weight and am only now figuring out why. I think it is the Adex. I have gained about 25lbs in 2 years and when I diet it does not come off easily. I came to this conclusion after reading up about women breast cancer patients that have gained weight on Adex.

So with that said, I think I need to go off it. Trouble is I don't know how with out severe adverse effects such as E2 rebound.

I could use some suggestions since it has been a while since I have been involved in the research of this stuff.

 

[Vforcer2]

I just recently went thru the treatment and subsequent death of a metastatic ER+ inflammatory breast cancer parient. ER+ means that the cancer cell have estrogen receptors and that estrogen acts like growth factor to the tumor cell. You dont have very many estrogen receptors and the ones that you do have were put there by the evolutionary process for a reason. She had a lot of cancer cells and a lot of estrogen receptors. She was taking 2.5 mg/d. And you have been taking 1mg/d for a couple years? I have no idea what you have done to yourself and how to fix it. Most studies link estrogen levels to atherosclerosis inversely. Hows your calcium score? I`m sorry for being so harsh but this takes the cake. Hope you are only in a pickle. If I can help lemme know.

sorry, but I am not following what you are trying to say. The point of my last post was to show the results of HPTA recovery. I honestly don't know what you are talking about. You make references to "i" and "she". Again, not sure what you are saying.