Aromasin PCT?

[solo47]

Fraggle, you got me curious about using Aromasin for PCT. I once read somewhere that, though it blocks about 65% of the estro build-up, it does little to stimulate the HPTA (like Clomid & Tamox (nolvadex) are purported to do). Clomid & Tamox are both SERMs so don't really block estro build-up themselves. Now I read that Clomid & Tamox stimulate the HPTA precisely by somewhat blocking estro build-up (at least in certain tissues). Pause for thought...

IF blocking estro is what kicks the HPTA back into gear then it seems to me a real AI would be much more effective for PCT. But, yes, Femara is too strong & Adex will likely lead to strong rebound effect (a flood of estro hormones) when it is stopped. So that leads me to Fraggle's (& the dread pirate Anthony Roberts') suggestion of using Aromasin (25 mgs ED) during PCT since it apparently does neither blocks all estrogen (a bad thing) nor does it cause a rebound effect.

Anyone have experience or thoughts on this?

Over on OLM, there's a lot of noise about Clomid being much more safe & effective than Tamox. My how this argument goes round! What I'm considering (after my usual overkill of HCG for 10 days) is a PCT of both Aromasin & Tamoxifen for six weeks. Advice or opinions?

Solo

P.S. Hey I've still got most of this month on the best part of my EQ cycle.

 

[Fraggle]

Solo,

I wouldn't use aromasin as a sole method of PCT. I do think it has a good niche in controlling estradiol in conjunction with other therapies.

You like to use 10 days of hCG, which is going to shoot your endogenous testosterone levels through the roof. You can use the aromasin to control the inevitable estradiol increase without the estro rebound. And it's definitely better to have some estradiol then none.

I'm not a big fan of clomid, and wouldn't use it for PCT in any situation. I'd much rather use a taper and/or hCG.

Fraggle

 

[jmills]

Solo, I have used aromasin as an addition to my PCT with my last two cycles...so far so good!

 

[LifeSize]

crazy to think people never did pct period back in the day..

*look at the suggested threads at the bottom of this one*

 

[solo47]

crazy to think people never did pct period back in the day.

Even the idea of cycling off & on is a fairly recent response to the realization that long-term use can shut one's own HPTA down permanently. (So once you've been on a long time, why come off?)

Solo

 

[LifeSize]

Even the idea of cycling off & on is a fairly recent response to the realization that long-term use can shut one's own HPTA down permanently. (So once you've been on a long time, why come off?)

Solo

lol.. is it bad that I think that's ok? who cares if i can produce 80mg a week, when I can put 750mg myself, and cheap too! lol..

 

[Fraggle]

lol.. is it bad that I think that's ok? who cares if i can produce 80mg a week, when I can put 750mg myself, and cheap too! lol..

God knows what the long-term side effects of 750mg/week are. There are no long-term studies done at high dose androgen therapy (minus the East Germans) because it's considered unethical for human research. I don't mind being a bit of guinea pig, but there's got to be limits!

 

[~OMEGA~]

lots of good ideas in here

Have had many use Aromasin and Clomid works EVERY TIME

and that was on 12 week Test Cycles . soem with Deca ( drop deca 2 weeks early)


HCG is def the other component that should be added.

 

[solo47]

lol.. is it bad that I think that's ok? who cares if i can produce 80mg a week, when I can put 750mg myself, and cheap too! lol..

LS, staying "on" at those levels for long time means you are putting your body on artificial life support, or at least on artificial masculinity support. If things change socially, personally, economically and you must come off after a long time on, you will find yourself a depressed eunuch. Plus staying long term on those levels not only means a sort of chemical castration, it most likely means a shorter life-span, considering the added stress on so many of your body's natural systems.

The good news izzat you'll have a number of great years before it all comes crashing down.

Solo

 

[761USD]

This seems to be a good thread to ask this.

Will 1mg of Aromasin EOD during a 10 Wk cycle of Test C and 2iu's of GH have any affect or is this dosage just wasting money?

I have 30 caps of 11mg Tamox, just in case.

I will start PCT 1 wk after last inject. 1cc of HCG ED for 10 days. On day 7 start 50mg Clomid ED for 15-30 days.

 

[~OMEGA~]

1 mg?

NO it wont do much

you need about 10 mg 3 times a week for a low aromatizable cycle

and more like 20 mgs 3 times a week if you doing things like Dbol, with Test etc.......

 

[LifeSize]

LS, staying "on" at those levels for long time means you are putting your body on artificial life support, or at least on artificial masculinity support. If things change socially, personally, economically and you must come off after a long time on, you will find yourself a depressed eunuch. Plus staying long term on those levels not only means a sort of chemical castration, it most likely means a shorter life-span, considering the added stress on so many of your body's natural systems.

The good news izzat you'll have a number of great years before it all comes crashing down.

Solo

I laughed at some parts of your post.. but others made me think.. bleh.. ill taper down to 500mg Test and run a 4 week diet before I go into PCT.. :\

 

[BBC3]

Taper down is always a good idea to AVoid PCT. Consider your half lives. I am thinking about trying to prove I can go back on line myself.. BUT WHY???. I was at 300 and why I started. Then I laugh and cry at the same time cuase I am just not sure what I am in for. But I know it is better than my fathers prostate cancers/.......

 

[solo47]

Taper down is always a good idea to AVoid PCT. Consider your half lives. I am thinking about trying to prove I can go back on line myself.. BUT WHY???. I was at 300 and why I started. Then I laugh and cry at the same time cuase I am just not sure what I am in for. But I know it is better than my fathers prostate cancers/.......

Eh? Not clear on what you are saying here, BBC. You on or off or tapering or what?

Solo

 

[761USD]

1 mg?

NO it wont do much

you need about 10 mg 3 times a week for a low aromatizable cycle

and more like 20 mgs 3 times a week if you doing things like Dbol, with Test etc.......

Thanks. I didn't think so. What about the 11mg of Tamoxifan? Good enough or need more than 11g and how many days a week?

 

[solo47]

Thanks. I didn't think so. What about the 11mg of Tamoxifan? Good enough or need more than 11g and how many days a week?

Good enough for what? You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

Now go start your own thread if you have any sensible questions to ask.

Solo

 

[BBC3]

Eh? Not clear on what you are saying here, BBC. You on or off or tapering or what?

Solo

Sorry, only saying that I am thinking about discontinuing test cyp with no PCT, by using a taper down method as I have in the past. As for PCT, I feel not necessary for test only cycles, with exception of a little HCG, always to blow up the boys. Nolva scares the crap out of me. Clomid would be my choice if I had to choose between those two drugs....