I screwed up. Quitting TRT. Sharing my experience and would appreciate some guidance around PCT.

[Exodecimate]

You took the time to upload an avatar but not to chose a real username? You did take the time to research steroids but went with TRT dose on UGL testosterone? You are not afraid of UGL Testosterone but you are afraid of AI's? I can only agree with most everyone here, get off or get on but whatever you do, do it at 100%. Like Arnold says, have vision on your future. Good luck man or bot.


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[guyfawkes1010]

Yeah deff odd even to me lol. I just started back on my own trt journey and realize things are going to be bumpy until I dial it in.

Do what you feel but if you do commit stay the course for a bit.

 

[hyooge]

So wait, did OP try an aromatase inhibitor?

His E2 was high and causing issues....

 

[shartking]

The OP is a case study in how not to do it. I guarantee he didn't eat enough either.

 

[Demondosage]

First off, this entire post sounds like someone with a head case. An E2 of 70 isn’t high enough to really fuck you up noticeably and most ppl wouldn’t even know it unless they saw the labwork. Second off, your test dosage wasn’t high enough to yield the results you were looking for, certainly not high enough to be noticeable and feel better than before. It’s not that TRT doesn’t work or you’re this rare case or something, you just didn’t have the dosing right. Take a mild approach with an aromatase inhibitor such as adex at .5mg twice weekly and raise that test to 200/wk and you’re going to feel a lot different than not being on test at all.

 

[redmanzzz]

Right, so turns out testosterone is not for everyone and I did not really need it.
I was so confident that this will change my life and I've given it enough time but can't take it anymore. Sharing my experience to help others.
Note: I did not have hypogonadism before and still hopped on TRT (UGL)

Been on it for 6 months now. Decided to stop yesterday.

Pre TRT:
My levels were around 300-500 ng/dl (multiple tests)
E2 was all good, TSH was all good etc.

Why did I start?
Struggling to build muscle (training, diet, sleep all dialed in), social anxiety, looking average. Life just felt average and I wanted to do more. I still wanna but I guess I'm just here to be avg. I tried all of the natural ways out there to optimize this but wasn't good enough.

Journey:
Started with 150mg a week split EOD IM.
Wasn't feeling good and so got some tests done after 6 weeks and Total / Free was great but E2 was through the roof (70 pg something)

I made a post here and got some good advice. Dropped the dose to 120 mg. Have done that for almost 4 months now but E2 is still around 50.

6 weeks later, blood levels look perfect but not feeling any better

Hey guys, Struggling a bit with this so hoping someone can push me in the right direction please. I had low T symptoms (fatigue, libido, sleep, weak/strength issues) - not gonna into all the details but everything else looked ok and only testosterone stood out. Total T: 11.5 nmol/L (320 ng/dl)...

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Effects:
The issue is I don't feel any different than before TRT and it's been 6 months. I'd love to work with a doctor but there aren't any where I live.
Last week I've been doing tons of research to see If I should drop the dose again and/or maybe switch to ED dosing as that might help but people saying that Testosterone Cyp or E are slow-release esters so that's overkill and kinda makes sense.
With that I'm out of options, not sure if its still E2 or just that my body doesn't like exogenous test, or that there's some other issue I'm not seeing or maybe my expectations were too high.

Side effects:
I guess high E2 was making me feel weak, anxious, nervous etc - the opposite of what I wanted (manly, strong, confident)
I actually somehow lost strength at the gym (no diet or weight changes)
Hair thinning/loss has started I'd be ok with this is there were any pros of being on TRT but there aren't any so not worth losing hair over it.

Finally, stopping TRT could I please some guidance here If anyone's experienced this?
So I've just cold turkey stopped injecting. Based on steroid plotter It'll take about 30-40 days to clear out of my system.
I wasn't feeling much on it so hoping I don't get a bad come down or anything that makes me wanna kill myself or something.

Are there any ways to manage / kick start the natural production fast??? I don't think I'll be able to get clomid from docs here and shipping from UGL will take over a month.

My diet is good whole foods. I lift 6 days a week + cardio. Take lots of good supplements (multi, omega, vitamin d, zinc, etc)
Starting Tongkat Ali and Cistanche, Shilajit, Ashwagandha as people say these help with testosterone. Whats your thoughts on these???

Ever since getting off UGL injectable's I feel great. I was getting systemic inflammation from all the synthetic carrier oils they use. I didn't notice until I got off ugl and started brewing my own with the best ingredients for my recipes. I later ran out of homebrew and had some ugl test laying around. Guess what, felt like shit after taking it for a couple of weeks. Stopped and got back on homebrew when raws came in and voila felt great again. Throw out that ugl and get on pharma grade or homebrew.

 

[OffendHand]

Ever since getting off UGL injectable's I feel great. I was getting systemic inflammation from all the synthetic carrier oils they use. I didn't notice until I got off ugl and started brewing my own with the best ingredients for my recipes. I later ran out of homebrew and had some ugl test laying around. Guess what, felt like shit after taking it for a couple of weeks. Stopped and got back on homebrew when raws came in and voila felt great again. Throw out that ugl and get on pharma grade or homebrew.

...Synthetic carrier oils? What?
Most UGLs have GSO available, and MCT isn't synthetic, it's refined from coconut or palm oil. The only additive that I'm are of that could be classified as a synthetic oil would be ethyl oleate, and I  think that's typically used to increase solubility of hormones at high concentrations. E.g., anything past 200mg/ml of test c tends to crash without using some EO.

 

[Mez63]

Ever since getting off UGL injectable's I feel great. I was getting systemic inflammation from all the synthetic carrier oils they use. I didn't notice until I got off ugl and started brewing my own with the best ingredients for my recipes. I later ran out of homebrew and had some ugl test laying around. Guess what, felt like shit after taking it for a couple of weeks. Stopped and got back on homebrew when raws came in and voila felt great again. Throw out that ugl and get on pharma grade or homebrew.

How old are you ? I think you need to learn to be happy with yourself and your appearance. You seem a bit depressed. Don’t worry too much about having muscles. It’s not what makes you who you are. You probably didn’t need the testosterone anyway. Having said that, 150 mg per week is hardly anything. You wouldn’t see any results on that low dose. Especially if doing test only. And did you take an estrogen blocker ? Arimidex or similar ? And what about a PCT like clomid etc to get your natural test going again ?
If you decide to do another cycle in the future do some research first. Get all the things you’ll need first. Then keep it to around 16 weeks. But honestly, I think you should accept yourself and don’t worry too much about appearance or anything else really. Be happy with who you are, not what you look like. Keep training, eat like a horse, get enough rest and it’ll look after itself.
Good luck.

 

[redmanzzz]

How old are you ? I think you need to learn to be happy with yourself and your appearance. You seem a bit depressed. Don’t worry too much about having muscles. It’s not what makes you who you are. You probably didn’t need the testosterone anyway. Having said that, 150 mg per week is hardly anything. You wouldn’t see any results on that low dose. Especially if doing test only. And did you take an estrogen blocker ? Arimidex or similar ? And what about a PCT like clomid etc to get your natural test going again ?
If you decide to do another cycle in the future do some research first. Get all the things you’ll need first. Then keep it to around 16 weeks. But honestly, I think you should accept yourself and don’t worry too much about appearance or anything else really. Be happy with who you are, not what you look like. Keep training, eat like a horse, get enough rest and it’ll look after itself.
Good luck.

Me thinks you replied to the wrong quote

 

[redmanzzz]

...Synthetic carrier oils? What?
Most UGLs have GSO available, and MCT isn't synthetic, it's refined from coconut or palm oil. The only additive that I'm are of that could be classified as a synthetic oil would be ethyl oleate, and I  think that's typically used to increase solubility of hormones at high concentrations. E.g., anything past 200mg/ml of test c tends to crash without using some EO.

Ok keep using UGL if you think they are putting the best organic oils in and you still feel like shit. And no I can make test cyp at 250 or 300 with just mct oil with bb and ba. You could probably make without the bb. No pip or inflammation.

 

[redmanzzz]

...Synthetic carrier oils? What?
Most UGLs have GSO available, and MCT isn't synthetic, it's refined from coconut or palm oil. The only additive that I'm are of that could be classified as a synthetic oil would be ethyl oleate, and I  think that's typically used to increase solubility of hormones at high concentrations. E.g., anything past 200mg/ml of test c tends to crash without using some EO.

View: https://youtu.be/2HqeTfw0jSM
watch this. You should listen to him, if you don't want to listen to me

 

[Mez63]

Me thinks you replied to the wrong quote

Oh sorry mate

 

[redmanzzz]

Oh sorry mate

No worries! Mahalo!

 

[GainV]

This can be with an increase in prolactin, as an option.

Genuinely curious what would you do to decrease prolactin In this situation?

 

[GainV]

"Feel different ". That's such a mushy, soft goal. You want to "feel" manly by using very moderate TRT-levels of testosterone. That might work for some people. It didn't for me. I went from 300nd/dl to a but over 800ng/dl on fully legit TRT, and it really didn't change the way I felt about myself. Going up even more and adding boldenone, nandrolone, Var, and some superdrol definitely gave me incredible strength and mass gains, but it didn't really change how I felt about myself. Physically, I felt great. Mentally/emotionally, I pretty much the same.

You don't need PEDs, you need therapy.

Feelings of inadequacy aren't going to be solved by being huge and ripped, or by getting a larger gun, a newer truck, or a hot porn-star wife. You can't fix the internal problems by working on the externals.

And, bluntly, lots of objectively huge, strong dudes feel small, weak, and unmanly because they have raging body dysmorphia issues.

Definitely needed to hear this, I've been on 250 ish mg of test since last October, I haven't fucking PCT because I don't want to feel that shitty feeling like I felt before. Obviously I need to grow myself outside of the gym to feel content and what I first expected PED's to do for me.

 

[SYNTAX_ERA]

Sometimes you just have to work through it. I stopped my trt for 2 months when I tried to see if it lower my hemoglobin and hematocrit naturally. I was walking around with 2.7 nmol that's around 77ngdl for the Americans.

It didn't work lol, I had to do blood donation to lower it. Anyway, I just kept on lifting like normal in the gym, did lose some energy and drive, recovery was crap but pushed through it till I got the green light to continue my trt.

In your case, maybe it will take months to recover but it's try to make it easier by keeping eating amd training almost similar when on cycle.

Did your blood donation significantly lower your red cell count? I am due for bloods and was hoping this would fix my issue also.

 

[SYNTAX_ERA]

Definitely needed to hear this, I've been on 250 ish mg of test since last October, I haven't fucking PCT because I don't want to feel that shitty feeling like I felt before. Obviously I need to grow myself outside of the gym to feel content and what I first expected PED's to do for me.

Marcus Aurelius Meditations. Read it. It's steroids for your soul. Just as iron hardens the body, a mans character is strengthened by training his mind. Sharpen your blade of will. Embrace the way of the stoics.

 

[DECLAN]

Did your blood donation significantly lower your red cell count? I am due for bloods and was hoping this would fix my issue also.

Yes it did, worse number was 6.49 and the latest after donation was 5.05

 

[4Drago]

You don't need test. You need to work on a thing call "Self Confidence". That doesn't come from a bottle.

 

[SYNTAX_ERA]

Yes it did, worse number was 6.49 and the latest after donation was 5.05

Thank you