Do you need me to repeat it again??
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Aromasin ruined me for good..
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so come off estrogen and feel like shit?? to prove this to the internet?? nah. last time i tested e2 was at 7 years ago. thats ll i needed to know.
. doesnt matter to me what a piece of paper says to me. i either feel good or i dont. isnt that the purpose of medicne? symptom resolution??
TTK
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Yes. I'm confused as to whether or not you have any kind of bloodwork that you can use to support your claims.
You've got a ton of personal anecdotal evidence.That's fine. But to support a claim like this you're gonna need to bring something more to the table.
TTK
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i dont think you understand how high estradiol is going to read now than im supplementing it. its pointless now unless i want to stop and get baseline. im not risking my business over that again. i absolutely plan on taking tests. but its gonna look rediculous and not prove anything about low estrogen. that time has passed.
like i said.. i have nothing to prove to the internet. my friends and i need to take estrogen after many years of aromasin usage. PERIOD. luckily nobody else has this problem. but if ya do. just take estrogen. its simple, when hormones are low. supplement them. ITs halarious we supplement EVERY SINGLE other hormone, yet men are terrified of estrogen. as i was in the beginning. the bro science is VERY powerful here.
i dont give a shit what hormone number say under 200
mg of test a week. what matters to me is my CBC numbers and blood pressure. im healthy as can be. thats all that matters to ME
Relax bro. God damn. I mean you say the AI crashed your E2 and years of AI use made this permanent but the way you act and respond to people lately in this thread makes me feel like maybe you need to up your AI.
Lol, I've been lurking in pm since 08, check my handle its the same.
I'm not against it, but I don't want to be injecting estrogen either. I'm abusing aas as it is, if some ai messed up my hormones I'll stop blasting that for sure.
Don't be hostile, I'm trying learn from your experience. And I decided to continue what I always have done, find the right dose that doesn't require ai. I'm also in my early 40's but not as advanced like you guys but I'm on doc prescribed trt. So, I know sooner or later I will be facing the need for ai if I want to continue blasting.
Ive heard of people injecting estrogen but the thought of it sounds insane to me. The people that I have seen say they need to is because Primo crashed their E2 and they don't want to keep upping their test.
IDK but it sounds ridiculous in the Primo example. Estrogen is the last fucking thing I want to be injecting.
I don't get it either, lots of vets who have been in the game talk about this phenomenon among the industry. Instead of reducing the dose or taking out the compound giving them problem, they add another compound like an ai. Then blame the ai or tren or whatever they added that they heard will solve the problem.
Nobody wants to stop injecting shit till they die is what it is, we're all addicted to this shit it's sad really.
SenorSuperdrol
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Crazy story man.
Just so I understand, you’re injecting estrogen. Having no previous blood work leading up to this point showing you had low/no estrogen. You simply dosing off feelz?
I apologize if I missed somewhere that you may have said you were going to post bloodwork prior to administering estrogen.
Just so I understand, you’re injecting estrogen. Having no previous blood work leading up to this point showing you had low/no estrogen. You simply dosing off feelz?
I apologize if I missed somewhere that you may have said you were going to post bloodwork prior to administering estrogen.
He said his last e2 test was 7 years ago and now going by feel.
This thread lost credibility as he's acting kind of like a female and going by feel. Sounds like he's obsessed with this thought of low estrogen but doesn't believe tests will show anything. Smh I don't get it. 1mg of exemestane?
Then says hcg and upping test doesn't raise e2? But still no blood work regularly to actually see something evidence based besides feel.
This thread lost credibility as he's acting kind of like a female and going by feel. Sounds like he's obsessed with this thought of low estrogen but doesn't believe tests will show anything. Smh I don't get it. 1mg of exemestane?
Then says hcg and upping test doesn't raise e2? But still no blood work regularly to actually see something evidence based besides feel.
No libido maybe youre liking guys now and want to be a woman? Lmao
GuerillaPete
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1 mg arimidex per 200mgs of test seems fine its the dose i need to use.
But he's used aromasin not arimidex.
GuerillaPete
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Your slow bro lay of the drugs
TTK
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Wait... aren't we here for the drugs?
BawlsDeep
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I wonder if there is any test available to find out the level of aromatase enzyme in a person. That would be interesting to see in you and your friends that need to inject E2. Maybe type2x or one of the more knowledge people here can explain the mechanism that AI nukes the aromatase enxyme. Myabe there are some intermediate steps or things happening that could be tested.
This could be very important info if studied properly.
Keep in mind, there was a guy who figured out germs caused disease and death long before Lister, he was fanatic, but nobody listened to him cuz he was an insufferable dick. Many wouldve been saved had he presented his information in a better way. I understand your frustration and i wouldnt call you an insufferable duck, but I hope you persue this and present it in a way people will want to help. Thankfully we are all thick skinned gentlemen here
This could be very important info if studied properly.
Keep in mind, there was a guy who figured out germs caused disease and death long before Lister, he was fanatic, but nobody listened to him cuz he was an insufferable dick. Many wouldve been saved had he presented his information in a better way. I understand your frustration and i wouldnt call you an insufferable duck, but I hope you persue this and present it in a way people will want to help. Thankfully we are all thick skinned gentlemen here
Lots of caps lock, still no evidence of any kind.
Lots of caps lock, still no evidence.it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that when one needs estrogen, symptoms alleviate while supplementing estrogen. lol want to know my evidence?? EXPERIENCE, trial and error with estrogen just like a doctor would do. believe me, or dont. i aint making this up, nor are the few others reporting this. Everything that comes out of my mouth is extraordinary my friend. extraordinarily experienced and truthful after 2 decades of hormone use and abuse. Want to know whats different with the women that were studied and treated with this for breast cancer? THEY ARE NOT MEN and genetically have MASSIVELY more estrogen than men. not to mention they didnt do any studies on ME and MY basically decade of aromasin use. Apples to Audis brother. Do you even under stand the mechanism of action behind aromasin?? it will kill E1, E2, AND E3. All of those have a role in the male body or they wouldnt be there. Bottom line is NOBODY knows what long term aromasin use does to a man. not me, NOR you..
here.. read this. specifically the part about gene mutations and aromatase deficiency that happens NATURALLY WITHOUT AROMASIN. maybe the guys that get fucked up by this naturally have very little enzymes to begin with because of.... say it with me,,,, GENETICS...,
CYP19A1 gene: MedlinePlus Genetics
The CYP19A1 gene provides instructions for making an enzyme called aromatase. Learn about this gene and related health conditions.medlineplus.gov
seems like your just another one of those people thinks the medical establishment really wants us healthy, and not your money. I bet you got vaccinated too because they told you it was a good idea.
29trt
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Hmm seems like if this was a common problem there would be ALLOT more guys shouting that aromasin f' them.... so it might be just a case of rare cases.
I'm not downplaying your issue, and the side effect you brought to light should be dully noted and taken into account when choosing ones AI protocol.
That being said between Adex ruining cholesterol and being harder to dose corectly and creating an estrogen spike after cessation and aromasin causing estrongen deficiency after a decade of use in some rare cases. .. I would still choose aromasin...
I'm not downplaying your issue, and the side effect you brought to light should be dully noted and taken into account when choosing ones AI protocol.
That being said between Adex ruining cholesterol and being harder to dose corectly and creating an estrogen spike after cessation and aromasin causing estrongen deficiency after a decade of use in some rare cases. .. I would still choose aromasin...
oh here we go again. this is the last time im posting anything about this. you need to re read everything i wrote you fucking idiot. i said my last test e2 test was 2 years ago and read SEVEN. i didnt say i havnt had a blood test in 7 years. now does that change things in your simple little mind now?? am i still acting like a female because YOU CANT READ? t this is me trying to explain something simple to stupid people that cant read on the internet. this cracks me up and no longer have any interest here.
did you read the study i posted ?? probly not
everybody in this game has crashed their estrogen at some point, cant we all agree on that? some guys just dont bounce back like myself and a few of my friends.. thats the only message i wanted to pass out to you all, and MY experiences taking estradiol after being fucked up by a DOCTOR.
like i said. every single hormone is replaced on trt. thyrid, dhea. preg. prog, but noooooooooo waaaaaaayyyyyy estrogen is the devil. i can only show you guys the door.
have a wonderful day. sorry about all those who were actually interested in my experiences. pm me if you want to. everybody else can flame all they want as i sit here feeling like a million bucks from my trt protocol that utilizes some estrogen.
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