Aromatase Inhibitors on Cycle?

[DarthTrenLord0981]

Im prepping for my first cycle and could use just a little more information. Are aromatase inhibitors absolutely necessary on cycle? Ill be cycling test e and d-bol and in a lot of threads ive read it sounds as though you don't need it while some say its necessary.

 

[johntt44]

It depends on how much you're running and how much you convert. Bloodwork. Test and dbol would probably warrant it.

 

[DarthTrenLord0981]

Ill be running test e for 10 weeks at 500mg weekly and d bol at 30 mg daily for four weeks if that helps? Thanks for the input btw, and im feeling from what im reading i should include it.

 

[ETownSmoke]

I wouldn't start your cycle without having it on hand. Unfortunately no one call tell you how much you will convert it. Some people don't need an AI on cycle at over 500mg but some people do over 100mg. Everyone is different, play it safe and have one on hand with some extra nolvadex till you know how you react.

 

[DarthTrenLord0981]

Thanks gents for the input, everything helps a lot and ill be sure to include it.

 

[EazyE]

Definitely keep an eye on things closely when running test/dbol cycle. Always have aromasin and nolvadex on hand - always.

If you don't have to run AI that is always best. But it is very much an individual thing.

Remember with dbol many users get a tingly feeling in their nipples or even moderately painful but that doesn't mean for sure that gyno is imminent or has set in.

 

[GBridge515]

My first cycle was very similar to yours and I had soreness in my nipples my entire cycle thinking it was normal I never upped my Adex,by the end I was panicking over a lump in my nipple, and had used .5mg pharm grade Adex eod throughout the cycle. 1mg ed for 1 week got rid of my lump and all soreness in my nipples. Have an AI preferably aromasin and don't be scared to up your dose if your nipples get itchy or sore.

 

[DarthTrenLord0981]

Thanks for the info gents and first hand experience as well. Im prepping and all input is valued.

 

[almast]

As was mentioned above everyone is individual. For example I run more than 1.5mg weekly and don't use any AI. But don't use Nolvadex during your cycle.It will low the effect of your cycle and you won't be able to get max of it. Just check your nipples daily and if notice smt start to use Adex or Aromasin.

 

[DarthTrenLord0981]

As was mentioned above everyone is individual. For example I run more than 1.5mg weekly and don't use any AI. But don't use Nolvadex during your cycle.It will low the effect of your cycle and you won't be able to get max of it. Just check your nipples daily and if notice smt start to use Adex or Aromasin.

Thank ya brother, and i will be.

 

[Evom1]

But don't use nolvadex during your cycle.

I feel I disagree with this statement. What is your reasoning and do you have any studies supporting it?

 

[Wunderpus]

Always have PCT and an AI on hand just in case. The need for an AI is so tremendously different from person to person, that there is no straight answer... Get mid-cycle bloods to know for sure, but I'd like to avoid running an AI if at all possible....

 

[Prozach45]

I ran 500mg Test E and 300mg Deca a week last cycle and never ran AI.
My nipples got a little itchy and sore for a week or two but it went away. Nothing major. But everyone reacts differently. Ran Nolvadex for PCT and everything was good. But like everyone said, have it on hand just in case.

 

[almast]

I feel I disagree with this statement. What is your reasoning and do you have any studies supporting it?

Yeah. There are some studies regarding it. First Nolva is quite toxic I think you know that and effecting your eyes. Second my endocrinologist explained me that Nolva increase quantity of progesterone receptors which means that you can't use it with any nandrolone or tren. And last one there are studies that Nolva do reduction of IGF-1 levels which are important for muscle growth.

 

[Evom1]

Yeah. There are some studies regarding it. First Nolva is quite toxic I think you know that and effecting your eyes. Second my endocrinologist explained me that Nolva increase quantity of progesterone receptors which means that you can't use it with any nandrolone or tren. And last one there are studies that Nolva do reduction of IGF-1 levels which are important for muscle growth.

Very interesting. On both my last tren cycle and my last deca cycle I used 40mg Nolva per day and did not have any issues. I'll do some additional research especially about the eyes

 

[ETownSmoke]

I've never heard nor read about nolva messing up ones vision but I have head and talked to a guy about clomid doing that. But then again everyone reacts differently to everything

 

[Evom1]

I've never heard nor read about nolva messing up ones vision but I have head and talked to a guy about clomid doing that. But then again everyone reacts differently to everything

After a quick Google search it seems the vision side effects of Nolva are a real thing. I started a thread to try and get some input. Maybe from the docs or more experienced guys here

 

[Seve]

Go with aromasin. First cycle my ankles were so swollen I had to go to the ER. I my opinion 12.5 E3D is were its at.

 

[SpringHeelSkank]

Be religious about your blood work, keep a log of your sides vs what your blood work shows. It will provide a road map for dialing in your ai dosage and frequency. You may not need any or much at all. However if you are prone to those sides, you're going to want an ai on hand just in case. More so with the dbol, that can be an issue for some even at lower doses.

Good luck with your ride, plenty of research can be done right here on Meso. Search the other sub forums as well, don't bog yourself down in the Underground.

 

[Glock45]

You absolutely need an AI on hand for every cycle. I didn't think I would need one my first cycle, i had it on hand but wasnt using it. 6 weeks in started getting itchy nips etc. Noticed a small lump under my right nip. Freaked me the fuck out. Ran some dex and cleared it up before it was too late, and that was only a 500mg test cycle. Dbol is known for shit tons of estrogen conversion. Keep that in mind.