Ascendant Labs

[BR1217]

I'm not so crazy about this cycle. You start with short esters and then switch immediately to long esters. The short will clear your system before the long have a chance to kick in. I also think you are running the Deca too long into the cycle. That shit takes a very long time to clear your system and will fuck up PCT timing. If you're doing blast n cruise then no problem.

I agree with GR here. This is why I ran my long esters the first part of the cycle, they were still in my system when I switched to the short esters giving the short esters time to stabilize blood levels. The short esters will also clear the system faster at the end of the cycle, allowing you to start PCT earlier.

 

[Jruiz]

I'd rather do the short esthers, but would running test p thru whole cycle be good, wouldn't my gains stop half thru cycle and go into maintenance more than anything during the remainder of the run?

 

[Jruiz]

And your right GR, is stopping decca at week 10 of 14 sufficient?

 

[BR1217]

I'd rather do the short esthers, but would running test p thru whole cycle be good, wouldn't my gains stop half thru cycle and go into maintenance more than anything during the remainder of the run?

Not sure what you mean here? Test is Test for the most part. Why would your gains stop? It doesn't matter if its Test P or Test E as long as the mg/week stay consistent you will be fine.

 

[noah_k]

Didn't catch the context, I'm guessing his misread / understood something about the peak benefits / diminishing returns of a test run. With a shorter ester like prop, you'll achieve this sooner

 

[Jruiz]

Didn't catch the context, I'm guessing his misread / understood something about the peak benefits / diminishing returns of a test run. With a shorter ester like prop, you'll achieve this sooner

Yes,so test p will be more efficient at a shorter cycle.maybe 8-10 weeks versus my planned 14 weeks

 

[Jruiz]

Sorry for thread hoggin Al,will make a thread soon., thanks all for your input!

 

[viking23]

After 8-10 weeks on cycle the body plateaus. That is why people throw in other compounds at this point.

I believe it is 8-10 weeks after the you blood levels gave peaked which would explain why someone on a long ester can run it longer before plateauing. I could be wrong but that's how I always understood it.

 

[viking23]

You don't need to add a compound either. You can also just increase the dosage of whatever is already being taking. Sorry I should have said that before in first post.

 

[Gunrunner]

Please do broda! Going to jump on al for my upcoming cycle, actually ordering few vials to slowly stack my arsenal!! Looking at testp600 + npp400 1-6 then testE600 7-14 and decca400 7-12 !can't freakn wait: will definitely run a log

Based on the fact that you may have this gear already or it is on order, I would do something like this:

Week 1-4 TestE, TestP, Deca, NPP
Week 5-7 TestE, Deca
Week 8-10 TestE, NPP
Week 11-14 Test P
Week 15-18 PCT

Rationale:
Week 1-4: Start with long esters and short esters. Short will kick in first and the then long will take over.
Week 5-10 Long Esters n Deca then NPP keep it going
The Deca needs a very long time to get out of system.
Week 11-14 Let the long esters and Nandralone clear the system but still get the benefits of AAS. No wait period for PCT with this little trick.
Week 15-18 PCT

That's money right there.

 

[Jruiz]

Based on the fact that you may have this gear already or it is on order, I would do something like this:

Week 1-4 TestE, TestP, Deca, NPP
Week 5-7 TestE, Deca
Week 8-10 TestE, NPP
Week 11-14 Test P
Week 15-18 PCT

Rationale:
Week 1-4: Start with long esters and short esters. Short will kick in first and the then long will take over.
Week 5-10 Long Esters n Deca then NPP keep it going
The Deca needs a very long time to get out of system.
Week 11-14 Let the long esters and Nandralone clear the system but still get the benefits of AAS. No wait period for PCT with this little trick.
Week 15-18 PCT

That's money right there.

Great route my friend!! I don't have all the gear yet but will have all in a few weeks. What mgs would you use on this regiment bra? If you don't mind me asking"

 

[Ascendant Labs]

Ok. I had bloodwork done while running AL's Test Prop @ 50mg/day. The results came back >1500. Great result only running 350mg/week. My TRT doc usually gives me the real number. He recently switched labs and didn't realize he had to order a separate test to get the real number. I will be posting a pic of the results this evening. The TestP/NPP I have been running is very good. I would definitely recommend AL to anyone looking for a good source. His products and customer service have been excellent. I will also be running a Labmax test on everything in his line. Keep you guys posted.

Great to see, thanks for running the bloodwork. Helix.

 

[Ascendant Labs]

Sorry for thread hoggin Al,will make a thread soon., thanks all for your input!

Feel at home, your not thread hogging. I like reading the discussions. if anyone gains more knowledge on how to cycle by reading my thread, that can only be a positive. Helix.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Feel at home, your not thread hogging. I like reading the discussions. if anyone gains more knowledge on how to cycle by reading my thread, that can only be a positive. Helix.

Plus the bumps..

 

[yeeyee]

Gunrunner speaks the truth. Done the same myself and it's awesome. Till deca started givin me gyno

 

[Jruiz]

Feel at home, your not thread hogging. I like reading the discussions. if anyone gains more knowledge on how to cycle by reading my thread, that can only be a positive. Helix.

Means a lot to a bra Helix!good lookin out!

 

[noah_k]

Tester received bloods yesterday, > 1500 as well (didn't get the exact range, seems to be hit or miss with labs via privatemd)!

Just like BR, he's running NPP + Test Prop, all from AL. Started off with bio prop for 2 weeks.

AL seems like a great guy from some back and forths, and really happy to see his product and customer service has held up. Another nice public source established on meso.

 

[joshua510]

is there an updated list of items and price? cant find it!

 

[bigstretch]

Tester received bloods yesterday, > 1500 as well (didn't get the exact range, seems to be hit or miss with labs via privatemd)!

Just like BR, he's running NPP + Test Prop, all from AL. Started off with bio prop for 2 weeks.

AL seems like a great guy from some back and forths, and really happy to see his product and customer service has held up. Another nice public source established on meso.

Well this lab seems like it's off to a good start. It's always good to have another legit source here at meso. Thanks for finding someone to test out the gear for us man.

 

[noah_k]

My own flesh and blood, isn't that terrible [|)] Nah only kidding, he insisted and understood the situation. Even after I got fucked by that cunning dog dick herc at the start of my short history on meso - happy to say no one pinned that.