ASTRO IS A SCAMMER!!!!!!

[xgunx]

I am not going to argue with everyone over technicalities. We could both go back and fourth on it. Wether he is a "scammer" or just selling really costly oil that he says he thought was juice. I also would not defend him at this point either. I honestly cant believe some of you are still defending him. Just because he used to make small things right doesnt mean this will be fixed. So until i am proven otherwise he is a scammer in my book.

 

[Raider72]

Your thread bro and your intent was to protect the members which is the most important thing. Don't be bothered by discussion it just makes MESO a better place. You got the balls to call it out how you see it. The point is I'm simply trying to make is often we have the right notion but the wrong motion.

 

[xgunx]

Your thread bro and your intent was to protect the members which is the most important thing. Don't be bothered by discussion it just makes MESO a better place. You got the balls to call it out how you see it. The point is I'm simply trying to make is often we have the right notion but the wrong motion.

It does happen your right. But try to put the shovel down before the hole gets to deep. Hopefully i am wrong i think...

I dont see how he can come back from this.

Say he does come back, who will risk trying to get good gear for several months back and fourth paks when the outcome might be mia and cooking oil. And a missed or fucked up cycle.

Sure as fuck not me.

 

[dper726]

While this thread was necessary it needed to be worded differently.

I kept my mouth quiet in his thread since my initial postings because that was a bridge I thought was too early to burn for the community that he had pending. And I think thats what alot of you did that were seeking your money back. My idea behind no one buying his steroids and instead growth was to allow him some idea that he still had a shot in this and refunding everyone he fucked over. Or some kind of other strategy because growth still can grow his scam. Now not so much.... Scammers will always be scammers. But what needed to be done was land in some kind of mutual agreement with him in the meantime as formal as possible in order to refund as many individuals by providing him a sense of "hope" in his brand name regaining stability after everyone was compensated for loses. Maybe Im just dreaming.

Just saying, I can't certainly speak for alot of you as I wasn't the one that got fucked over. I could only imagine your stress and frustration losing your hard earned money.

 

[DirtyRandy]

The guy gave the best excuse he could (death in the family), then goes missing again... most have pointed out that he still could have said something during that time but he still goes silent. You can't reach an agreement by yourself.

 

[xgunx]

I think everyone can appreciate you looking out for them. I held my tongue for a long time. He came back and went mia again. How is one to come to a mutual agreement with him when he does not respond? He knows how meso works. I think if he does come back it will be awhile. Unless of course he took a new years break of some sort which right now would be highly inapropriate. He saw what happened on his thread already and went off the grid again. Bad move if you ask me he should have had some sorta contact.

 

[manafest]

Take it as a Loss and don't order again..Getting all frilled and jacked up does nothing....When you play a game such as this you have to be willing to take losses...it's good to let others know your situation and that's all you can do..There is one thing that does Get me about this Game..Seems everyone wants and demands a steroid dealer to be 100% professional..Sure I have had my fair share of losses..it happens...I played the game and nobody twisted my arm....

 

[xgunx]

Even a happy late new years from him could have held me off a little longer. But nothing

 

[xgunx]

Take it as a Loss and don't order again..Getting all frilled and jacked up does nothing....When you play a game such as this you have to be willing to take losses...it's good to let others know your situation and that's all you can do..There is one thing that does Get me about this Game..Seems everyone wants and demands a steroid dealer to be 100% professional..Sure I have had my fair share of losses..it happens...I played the game and nobody twisted my arm....

Im not frilled and jacked up over this. Meso is here to hell better educate people and to keep others from making mistakes. I did not get screwed like others but i dont wanna see someone who is new or hasnt been around to jump in and waste time.

 

[manafest]

I agree with you...I was not pointing my finger at you... Im sure you have read a trillion threads with people being all jacked up like their life was ending...>: )

 

[xgunx]

14562990767 threads to be exact

 

[Big_paul]

His is a selective scam.

 

[Flounder]

He did not refund my full 1100.00. He refunded me 500.00. He had sent half my order already. Which I recieved a BS tracking # for. It took 28 days to get to me and when it did reach me it wasn't even what I ordered. He did over night me my orginal order after I bashed him. But like I said. Only half my order arrived. He still owed me 500 and after bashing him some more he refunded me.

IMO. He didn't get busted. But no one really knows the truth.

Thanks for clarifying this for me/us. Like I said, I don't know if he's busted or a scammer now. Am I glad he's gone? Hell yes. I never liked his business practices so I never dealt with him. I think this was a long time coming. It sucks for those who lost $$ though. I've been telling members for weeks to get their funds back if they were still available. Still sucks though.

 

[brutus79]

While this thread was necessary it needed to be worded differently.

I kept my mouth quiet in his thread since my initial postings because that was a bridge I thought was too early to burn for the community that he had pending. And I think thats what alot of you did that were seeking your money back. My idea behind no one buying his steroids and instead growth was to allow him some idea that he still had a shot in this and refunding everyone he fucked over. Or some kind of other strategy because growth still can grow his scam. Now not so much.... Scammers will always be scammers. But what needed to be done was land in some kind of mutual agreement with him in the meantime as formal as possible in order to refund as many individuals by providing him a sense of "hope" in his brand name regaining stability after everyone was compensated for loses. Maybe Im just dreaming.

Just saying, I can't certainly speak for alot of you as I wasn't the one that got fucked over. I could only imagine your stress and frustration losing your hard earned money.

The biggest issue with the sources on the way out is the stockholm syndrome you speak of. Fucking people were still clamboring and giving ricky the benefit of the doubt after mfl sold people female birth control as fucking test. Sick. That prolonging of the final verdict led to how many orders? When you first join meso the threads start at the beginning, and while a smart person would check the end (or the end is a bunch of people pussyfooting around the issue in the hopes they get taken care of) they buy. Email astro now from a dummy safe email requesting to order... wouldn't be surprised if he answers. Not so private now.

Astro always had terrible turnaround times, terrible communication and a shitty attitude (pot calling the kettle black, I know- go fuck yourself folks). Now he sends out pure oil as gear, mislabeled gear, nothing at all, the opposite of what you wanted your bunk gear replaced with, fake tracking numbers, bullshit stories and no communication amidst these issues. While the word scammer is overused I call this a scammer in the purest sense of the word.

 

[BIGMESC]

Wether he is a "scammer" or just selling really costly oil that he says he thought was juice.

This did make me laugh, I see your point, can't argue with that.

I know he is a shitty scammer then because if he had run a crazy sale or BOGO then he probably would of pulled in 5 figures easy.
Honestly some of it would have been from me.

 

[manafest]

Tax season...that could be a good excuse...I mean since he was a legit buisness source and not just a aas dealer... >: )

 

[Cole]

Well the first time I ordered I had zero issues, this time looks like I got took for $680.

 

[Johnson513]

The word "scammer" is so overused that it is has become largely uninformative. As a result, it is often dismissed by a significant percentage of consumers.

There are many instances where "known scammers" continue to recruit hundreds of customers many of which are mostly satisfied with the service; customers who have repeated positive experiences with a source aren't going give much credibility to a generic, non-specific scammer alert.

This doesn't mean that there is no basis for the scammer alert. It just means that the reasons for the scammer alert have not been communicated in a manner that adequately warns consumers of potential problems with a source.

Rather than paint BAD sources with broad designations only, it would be much more useful and effective to provide explicit detail. In essence, create a thread and make a case, including as much detail as possible, about why consumers should not use a particular vendor. For example, here is a non-inclusive list of reasons that vendors have fallen under the umbrella of the "scammer" designation. The availability of these reasons may allow consumers to make better decisions.

• Arrested by law enforcement
• Supply and/or distribution chain arrested by law enforcement
• Becomes confidential informant for law enforcement
• Takes money and never ships product
• Takes money and selectively ships product
• Very complicated/restrictive/ambiguous reship policy in instances of customs seizure
• Only re-ships once in instances of customs seizure notice
• Never re-ships in instances of customs seizure
• Ships product with microbial contamination or visible contaminants
• Ships underdosed product
• Ships product with androgen other than that listed on label
• Ships product with no detectable androgens
• Ships wrong product or does not ship entire order
• Misrepresents UGL products as FDA-approved
• Does not offer replacement products to dissatisfied customers
• Packages shipped in a sloppy manner that results in damaged product
• Packages shipped in insecure manner that increases risk of customs seizure
• Takes excessive amount of time to ship order
• Responds to negative customer feedback with threats of violence or other
• Responds to negative customer feedback with organized shill attack
• Responds to negative customer feedback with dismissive or rude responses
• Customer service is inconsistent
• Takes excessive amount of time to respond to inquiries
• Fails to provide secure email address
• Fails to provide pictures of paraphernalia used in production
• Sells overpriced product
• Source is new and has no feedback and/or history

Source: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/labeling-ugl-threads-gone-bad.134357592/

Look, I never ordered from this guy, but just reading his old thread I can see Astro, would consistently hit, and just in the last month alone, has hit 14 of these bullet points on Millard's post. Astro also has a couple "maybes" too, on the list... I don't wanna get into semantics as to what, or what not, to call Astro. I do think what a couple guys are encouraging and getting at is for you gentlemen, who have had the misfortune of dealing with this train wreck, to specify what your experience has been with Astro. In HIS thread, experiences have been muddled with banter, time lapses etc etc. What our responsibility is now, and what I assume THIS thread is for, is telling your story. What the fuck happened to you? Are you just a passerby, or are you a true MEMBER of Meso? Just take five minutes and throw up a post now. Heck, use some of the bullet points above...or don't... Add what you need to add. Did you lose money? Did you get refunded? Was your gear as promised? On time? As labeled? As ordered? (Many more questions). I know many guys have stated their issue in the other thread, but just condense and reiterate your qualms and issues here. I know there are a shitload of members not even saying a word yet, your voice counts.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here. I feel the same as B79, some guys on here still feel like it'll be ok and this "stuff" will all just buff out. This thread is LONNNG overdue and this is IMHO, what we should be doing with all sources, good or bad.
Because of the uncensored format of Meso, we have a chance to be heard and when someone types "Astro Labs" into google, this thread will be one of the top.

I realize what I'm saying, a great many of us already know. There are members, such as myself, that need to read and hear things a number of times before we take action.
POST UP

 

[naturalkon]

Well the first time I ordered I had zero issues, this time looks like I got took for $680.

Ouch. Never ordered from astro. Just didn't care for his attitude. Also, who wants to wait a month for their shit to show up. Hope everyone gets taken care. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

 

[hotdog23]

While this thread was necessary it needed to be worded differently.

I kept my mouth quiet in his thread since my initial postings because that was a bridge I thought was too early to burn for the community that he had pending. And I think thats what alot of you did that were seeking your money back. My idea behind no one buying his steroids and instead growth was to allow him some idea that he still had a shot in this and refunding everyone he fucked over. Or some kind of other strategy because growth still can grow his scam. Now not so much.... Scammers will always be scammers. But what needed to be done was land in some kind of mutual agreement with him in the meantime as formal as possible in order to refund as many individuals by providing him a sense of "hope" in his brand name regaining stability after everyone was compensated for loses. Maybe Im just dreaming.

Just saying, I can't certainly speak for alot of you as I wasn't the one that got fucked over. I could only imagine your stress and frustration losing your hard earned money.

^^^^^ this right here. Of course he deserved everything that was said about him, but I think after seeing the polarized climate of things he checked out before making members right.... Realized he didn't have a chance

THREAD TITLE IS AS IT SHOULD BE. I CAN PROVE HE IS SCAMMER. NOT BUNK GEAR. NO GEAR