ASTRO IS A SCAMMER!!!!!!

[JonIrenicus]

Damn, that's a real shame. Ordered from him quite a few times in his early days and the gear was definitely GTG.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

The only problem with that is if you didn't get scammed by Astro then why wouldn't you say he MIGHT be a scammer instead of IS a scammer? If you have no first hand experience being scammed by him then you're running off pure hearsay. That doesn't mean you're not entitled to your own thoughts or sharing those thoughts with anyone but it does mean that on the continuum of strength of evidence, your evidence does not hold much weight.

Does one need "first-hand experience" before claiming someone is a scammer in order for the claim to be deemed credible? It's widely reported on TID and UGBB that Tilltheend is a scammer (in addition to being a troll), yet the majority of those making that claim have no first-hand experience. Another TID member (whose handle escapes me at the moment) was banned and had his title changed to "I'm a Scamming Piece of Shit." Did Mugzy have first-hand experience with that member?

The point I'm trying to make is that first-hand experience doesn't make one's claim credible either. The only way to prove a scammer is a scammer is with evidence. If there is clear evidence to prove one's claim, it isn't hearsay - it's proof. I think that's what you're saying but your comment about first-hand experience is causing some confusion.

I'm not saying what you said isn't true but just that more details would make your situation that much more real for someone on the fence about ordering from him.

Agreed. However, I don't think anyone would suggest ordering from Astro is a good idea right now. In fact, most would say it's a very bad idea. But casting doubt on whether he is or isn't a scammer isn't likely to make things more clear for someone on the fence about ordering. I think you agree with that.

 

[hunterbro]

How about this for all the politically correct members who shy from the word "scammer".

FUCK ASTRO!

Shall we rename the thread

"please be aware that our illegal drug dealer Mr. Astro could have possibly been challenged on a few orders but we're actually not certain we could prove positively because it's an illegal transaction and no jury was present at the time of payment : therefore go ahead and be careful when contracting this challenged drug dealer"? What the fuck?

What's it take for you guys. Shit gear, shit communication, stole funds, lied, for months and months and months... Scammer!

 

[Bender83]

Look, I never ordered from this guy, but just reading his old thread I can see Astro, would consistently hit, and just in the last month alone, has hit 14 of these bullet points on Millard's post. Astro also has a couple "maybes" too, on the list... I don't wanna get into semantics as to what, or what not, to call Astro. I do think what a couple guys are encouraging and getting at is for you gentlemen, who have had the misfortune of dealing with this train wreck, to specify what your experience has been with Astro. In HIS thread, experiences have been muddled with banter, time lapses etc etc. What our responsibility is now, and what I assume THIS thread is for, is telling your story. What the fuck happened to you? Are you just a passerby, or are you a true MEMBER of Meso? Just take five minutes and throw up a post now. Heck, use some of the bullet points above...or don't... Add what you need to add. Did you lose money? Did you get refunded? Was your gear as promised? On time? As labeled? As ordered? (Many more questions). I know many guys have stated their issue in the other thread, but just condense and reiterate your qualms and issues here. I know there are a shitload of members not even saying a word yet, your voice counts.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here. I feel the same as B79, some guys on here still feel like it'll be ok and this "stuff" will all just buff out. This thread is LONNNG overdue and this is IMHO, what we should be doing with all sources, good or bad.
Because of the uncensored format of Meso, we have a chance to be heard and when someone types "Astro Labs" into google, this thread will be one of the top.

I realize what I'm saying, a great many of us already know. There are members, such as myself, that need to read and hear things a number of times before we take action.
POST UP

I'm one of the guys who never received their gear. There was some communication error (imagine that) between us, where he never received my shipping info (which I found out by emailing him a week and a half or so after payment and asking him what's up) I had to send him my info a couple more times because he said he couldn't receive my emails. We are at about 3 weeks post payment here. Next he replies to me and quotes me a different price for what I wanted, I inform him that I am already paid for and my ship info was all that was missing. He finally tells me we are good, and it'll go out asap. That was the last I have heard from him and I never received my stuff, or a tracker.

I don't expect him to be back and I don't really care either. Sure it'd be nice if he came back and made things right with people but who could trust what they were getting anyway? Bad bloodwork on his gear, and the label mix up with the bio line, so who knows wtf you're getting from him?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

FUCK ASTRO!

Shall we rename the thread

No.

This is a very simple matter: Did Astro run off with member's money and not send product? If the answer is yes, he IS a scammer.

Astro shall remain a scammer until he returns and makes everyone whole. If a miracle happens and he returns, then the scammer label can be reexamined.

I get Millard's point about how overusing the scammer and shill label diminishes the value. But sometimes a scammer is just a scammer and the label is appropriate.

 

[Docd187123]

Does one need "first-hand experience" before claiming someone is a scammer in order for the claim to be deemed credible? It's widely reported on TID and UGBB that Tilltheend is a scammer (in addition to being a troll), yet the majority of those making that claim have no first-hand experience. Another TID member (whose handle escapes me at the moment) was banned and had his title changed to "I'm a Scamming Piece of Shit." Did Mugzy have first-hand experience with that member?

The point I'm trying to make is that first-hand experience doesn't make one's claim credible either. The only way to prove a scammer is a scammer is with evidence. If there is clear evidence to prove one's claim, it isn't hearsay - it's proof. I think that's what you're saying but your comment about first-hand experience is causing some confusion.



Agreed. However, I don't think anyone would suggest ordering from Astro is a good idea right now. In fact, most would say it's a very bad idea. But casting doubt on whether he is or isn't a scammer isn't likely to make things more clear for someone on the fence about ordering. I think you agree with that.

That's why I said he's still entitled to his thoughts and to share those thoughts but that on the continuum of strength of evidence, hearsay is weak evidence. The majority of those making the claim adon't start threads titled "Tilltheend is a scammer" either....but even their evidence is weak if it's only hearsay.

 

[Cole]

I'm one of the guys who never received their gear. There was some communication error (imagine that) between us, where he never received my shipping info (which I found out by emailing him a week and a half or so after payment and asking him what's up) I had to send him my info a couple more times because he said he couldn't receive my emails. We are at about 3 weeks post payment here. Next he replies to me and quotes me a different price for what I wanted, I inform him that I am already paid for and my ship info was all that was missing. He finally tells me we are good, and it'll go out asap. That was the last I have heard from him and I never received my stuff, or a tracker.

I don't expect him to be back and I don't really care either. Sure it'd be nice if he came back and made things right with people but who could trust what they were getting anyway? Bad bloodwork on his gear, and the label mix up with the bio line, so who knows wtf you're getting from him?

Same story for me bro! I sent the 1st email on December the 1st. But like a jack off I actually did leave out where I needed it to go, sent another 4 hours later.
We went back and forth a few times and it was all straight. It was supposed to come like the middle of last month no dice!!!!
Emailed him again no response.

I think @bickle29 was right when he said at least one other person was sending those email's. Because we had things squared away then someone came back wanting my info again.

It is what it is I guess.

 

[xgunx]

Same story for me bro! I sent the 1st email on December the 1st. But like a jack off I actually did leave out where I needed it to go, sent another 4 hours later.
We went back and forth a few times and it was all straight. It was supposed to come like the middle of last month no dice!!!!
Emailed him again no response.

I think @bickle29 was right when he said at least one other person was sending those email's. Because we had things squared away then someone came back wanting my info again.

It is what it is I guess.

I'm one of the guys who never received their gear. There was some communication error (imagine that) between us, where he never received my shipping info (which I found out by emailing him a week and a half or so after payment and asking him what's up) I had to send him my info a couple more times because he said he couldn't receive my emails. We are at about 3 weeks post payment here. Next he replies to me and quotes me a different price for what I wanted, I inform him that I am already paid for and my ship info was all that was missing. He finally tells me we are good, and it'll go out asap. That was the last I have heard from him and I never received my stuff, or a tracker.

I don't expect him to be back and I don't really care either. Sure it'd be nice if he came back and made things right with people but who could trust what they were getting anyway? Bad bloodwork on his gear, and the label mix up with the bio line, so who knows wtf you're getting from him?

There are countless numbers of members like this, more will show.

When would scammer be an appropriate title?

I dont dont think any source or sources have gotten together in the past and said lets make a bunch of fake accounts and take astro out.

 

[pmac928]

What kills me is all the bullshit he led people to believe and in the end none I it was probably true. Him testing all his raws was the biggest killer. Or those shoddy pieces of paper in a "gmp standard" facility with his name
On them. I want to thank @noah_k for getting astro for money a website that he never made. And he even ssid it was coming regardless. Just more garbage that seemed to spew from Astros greasy mouth.

 

[afcceltic00]

used his gear that i got back in june. test e and dbol.

the dbol i used for the first 4 weeks seemed to be g2g but as soon as i was off the dbol never really felt much from the test E.

long story short got my bloods done at week 8 and showed my levels were at 1300. MADDDD underdosed. definitely bad gear. bunk or not underdosed sucks to put yourself through that just for underdosed gear. for those looking for a source look elsewhere

 

[bickel29]

What kills me is all the bullshit he led people to believe and in the end none I it was probably true. Him testing all his raws was the biggest killer. Or those shoddy pieces of paper in a "gmp standard" facility with his name
On them. I want to thank @noah_k for getting astro for money a website that he never made. And he even ssid it was coming regardless. Just more garbage that seemed to spew from Astros greasy mouth.

Man pmac, what a mystery our boy Noah_K turned out to be, huh? He was a good dude, one of the more active members, and then one day just disappeared. Truth is, few of us truly know what each other are really into in real life, but damn we never saw Noah_k just splitting one day. Just hope he didn't meet his demise somehow.

Maybe when he didn't finish Astro's website, Astro hot-packed him and that's where he went?

Okay, that brings me to a different topic I need some help understanding...

 

[pmac928]

I know @bickel29 after I posted that I started thinking wtf happened to him. Crazy right? Hopefully he got astro for a few hundred bucks. Not that it makes a difference but to know one of us got one over on him feels
Good.

 

[bickel29]

Here is something I need some help from other members understanding...

Everyone needs to keep in mind that the number of "reported" incidents here will be far, far less than the number of actual incidents that occurred. Many of the members whom Astro might have screwed fear retaliation by Astro since he has their personal info.

Which brings me to....

How does someone become a victim of a hot pack, when they really didn't order the pack? If it really was that simple (source gets mad at customer for exposing them, so source mails illegal contents and tips off LE that it is coming, and receiver gets busted) then couldn't I just send a hot pack to ANYBODY that I don't like? Wouldn't there need to be evidence that the receiver actually ordered it? For example, if my boss fires me and I want revenge, couldn't I hotpack him?

I am sure the answer is simple and i just don't see it?

 

[xgunx]

Here is something I need some help from other members understanding...

Everyone needs to keep in mind that the number of "reported" incidents here will be far, far less than the number of actual incidents that occurred. Many of the members whom Astro might have screwed fear retaliation by Astro since he has their personal info.

Which brings me to....

How does someone become a victim of a hot pack, when they really didn't order the pack? If it really was that simple (source gets mad at customer for exposing them, so source mails illegal contents and tips off LE that it is coming, and receiver gets busted) then couldn't I just send a hot pack to ANYBODY that I don't like? Wouldn't there need to be evidence that the receiver actually ordered it? For example, if my boss fires me and I want revenge, couldn't I hotpack him?

I am sure the answer is simple and i just don't see it?

Now i know what to do with all that strong gear i got layning around lol





Jk

 

[Girpy]

Here is something I need some help from other members understanding...

Everyone needs to keep in mind that the number of "reported" incidents here will be far, far less than the number of actual incidents that occurred. Many of the members whom Astro might have screwed fear retaliation by Astro since he has their personal info.

Which brings me to....

How does someone become a victim of a hot pack, when they really didn't order the pack? If it really was that simple (source gets mad at customer for exposing them, so source mails illegal contents and tips off LE that it is coming, and receiver gets busted) then couldn't I just send a hot pack to ANYBODY that I don't like? Wouldn't there need to be evidence that the receiver actually ordered it? For example, if my boss fires me and I want revenge, couldn't I hotpack him?

I am sure the answer is simple and i just don't see it?

Could be wrong but I would assume the hotpack would give them an easy warrant, most people keep some sort of stash.....might not be guilty of ordering the pack but you would be guilty of possession of the rest. And might be tough to denied that u ordered a box of gear when cops find your sock drawer full of vials and syringes you know?

But again this is just my guess

 

[naturalkon]

well that is a nicer version of a hotpack than I was imagining. I assumed it was poison in a vial. but I guess that's just in the hard drug game when people spike heroin or coke.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I want to thank @noah_k for getting astro for money a website that he never made.

Man pmac, what a mystery our boy Noah_K turned out to be, huh? He was a good dude, one of the more active members, and then one day just disappeared.

Here is something I need some help from other members understanding...

Everyone needs to keep in mind that the number of "reported" incidents here will be far, far less than the number of actual incidents that occurred. Many of the members whom Astro might have screwed fear retaliation by Astro since he has their personal info.

Which brings me to....

How does someone become a victim of a hot pack, when they really didn't order the pack? If it really was that simple (source gets mad at customer for exposing them, so source mails illegal contents and tips off LE that it is coming, and receiver gets busted) then couldn't I just send a hot pack to ANYBODY that I don't like? Wouldn't there need to be evidence that the receiver actually ordered it? For example, if my boss fires me and I want revenge, couldn't I hotpack him?

I am sure the answer is simple and i just don't see it?

Funny you ask. I got a PM from Noah asking me that very question before he disappeared. Is there something you want to tell us, Bickel?

In regards to your question, Toolman, who is a lawyer and a member here told me there's nothing to worry about if you have evidence that the source threatened to send a hotpack. I'd have to go back and read the PM again (if I still have it) to see what he said exactly but you might be better off asking him yourself.

 

[xgunx]

Funny you ask. I got a PM from Noah asking me that very question before he disappeared. Is there something you want to tell us, Bickel?

In regards to your question, Toolman, who is a lawyer and a member here told me there's nothing to worry about if you have evidence that the source threatened to send a hotpack. I'd have to go back and read the PM again (if I still have it) to see what he said exactly but you might be better off asking him yourself.

Yeah but like girpy said what about your stash they will find?

 

[xgunx]

Even if you did get out of it the le are going to tear down your door demolish yout home throw family on ground cuff you and take you in. Not to mention what the papers say

 

[bickel29]

Funny you ask. I got a PM from Noah asking me that very question before he disappeared. Is there something you want to tell us, Bickel?

In regards to your question, Toolman, who is a lawyer and a member here told me there's nothing to worry about if you have evidence that the source threatened to send a hotpack. I'd have to go back and read the PM again (if I still have it) to see what he said exactly but you might be better off asking him yourself.

Thanks CBS - I guess I am thinking more along the lines of a hotpack being sent with no threat preceeding it. Like for example, if Astro got mad at a customer for blowing him up in his thread, and then sent the pack without threatening to do so.

Like I said, I just can't see it resulting in a conviction with nothing else supporting the pack arriving. But what do I know?

And to be clear, Astro doesn't have my info and never has had my info, so that's not why I am asking.