BigTomJ
Well-known Member
@egruberman
I understand your position but completely disagree
I understand your position but completely disagree
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Anabolic Steroids
ATTN: OGs and other well known members. Source talk?
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xrayphoton13
Well-known Member
Was this written by AI?
egruberman
Well-known Member
I get how a rational approach might seem weird to you.
Clearly not. Though not in any kind of effective way thus far.
It boggles the mind what kind of conspiracy you're imagining. They are selling gear cheaply that tests well and has a few well known issues. They have been pretty transparent about it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. What, precisely do you think they're getting away with?
Find a single sentence that I've written in which I've defended anything on their part? Going back to my original point. I answered the question why anyone would choose to buy their gear by giving *my* personal reasoning. Which, flawed or otherwise, is at least well considered.
I haven't seen the HPLC for Tracy's spit, so no, I wouldn't inject it.
The only thing I'm suggesting that others do is filter their fucking UGL gear, because without traceability we have no idea if it’s sterile or not and if it’s not that’s a hell of a lot worse than injecting a few ptfe or nylon fibers.
FastBun
Member
if you have to filter gear you buy… why not brew at that point?
accidentaljedi173
Well-known Member
You've got a very interesting mind
egruberman
Well-known Member
Given that you were casting aspersions at others being “low IQ” earlier, then I presume that implies that you don’t consider yourself of the low IQ variety. In which case I doubt you will have any difficulty elaborating which specific aspects of my rationale that you disagree with.
BigTomJ
Well-known Member
I'm not interested in participating in this thread or back and forth any further.
I've made my position very clear.
iris
Well-known Member
But this is a pointless thing to say.
As if everyone has the space, time and inclination to play little chemist at home.
It's not about might as well do it your self.
It's about what people are being sold and they are still happy to buy it.
There are many other sources people can use, with better CS and where this kind of thing does not occur.
You know that.
FastBun
Member
I agree with you… I’m not supporting QSC is thats what you thought.. i rather use domestic source and not worry about having to re filter oils and good customer service… I dont use Chinese for oils only used GL, Stan and now Neo.
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egruberman
Well-known Member
The level of effort for either is very different. While it sounds like fun, the value of my time far exceeds the rewards.
It takes me approximately 15 minutes to filter a 30ml vial of oil. The probability of an issue with sterility is very, very low. Even still, there's zero traceability batch to batch and if there were an issue, there's nobody to bear that liability, which is how UGL gear is fundamentally different than pharma gear. The reason I bother in spite of the relatively low risk is the potential harm a single incident could cause. Again, this is relative to the value of my time. I can spare 15m every few weeks at a time of my choosing. I can't spare the time to deal with a random occurrence of an infection. That would pose a costly interruption to my life.
Do you have some objective metric by which you can determine that you don't have to re-filter your oils coming from a domestic source or are you simply accepting on faith that the product you receive is perfectly sterile?
I suspect the answer is that you're basing your rationale on the reputation of the vendor and how you feel about the customer service. That's a fine rationale, but not what I would choose, based on the reasoning described above. Again, I believe an issue with sterility from any well known vendor is likely a very, very low probability event.
You're not the first person to have had this observation.
With respect to where you stand on the gradient of IQ or what, specifically you're disagreeing about?
FastBun
Member
simply put… I highly value customer service and quality… i look for that in a source… i don’t see it necessary to re filter gear to me it defeats the purpose of ordering from a source that’s why they are vetted hard and kept accountable…
egruberman
Well-known Member
The customer service is obvious (relative to QSC) but how do you distinguish the quality?
narta
Member
Cause the vast majority of people can't even math properly, let alone make complex calculations that contain volume displacements. And that's on top of an initial investment for labware etc.
Treat UGL finished oils for what it is.
Edit: Why the fuck do you still argue about QSC or any illicit substance vendor? Don't fucking buy their shit and move on. Since there is ZERO reports of harm done so far (afaik, if I am wrong please point me to the thread) from their oils, given the volume of units sold, the whole thing is a NothingBurger.
Some of you need to get out of your fucking bubble into the real world. Nothing is free. If it's cheap there is probably a catch. If it's good and cheap, you probably need to DIY.
But in the age of the instant gratification and "the world owns me", everyone demands cheap, fast, top quality and pampering.
Newsflash: That's not how the world works.
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iris
Well-known Member
Hey Bun,
No I wasn't thinking you support that source.
I was just saying that making this stuff is not feasible, for most people.
If you can, good for you.
If not, as they always say, vote with you wallet by choosing a vendor that meets your requirements and proves to be reliable.
Have a good day.
Liter O' Test
Member
你总是把供应商的问题归咎于消费者
narta
Member
Utter BS.
Have some standards folks. Letting floaters in vials slide FOR "FINISHED" OIL ain't it. Why is that product in an injection vial? I wonder.
Spaceman Spiff
Well-known Member
If you have time to filter, you might as well buy their raws and brew. Bottom line.
It's not hard to brew at all.
Lifetime supply of raws+ testing for 500-600 dollars
Especially testosterone that you may use for the rest of your life.
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iris
Well-known Member
Sure.
For instance, I personally would not have a suitable space to do any of this, as much as I would like to.
It's not about the time it takes, necessarily, so what you say about that is correct.
But not everyone can do this in a way that is consistently appropriate, safe and sterile.
Frankly, despite all the reading I have done about it here, I would still be fearful to get something wrong.
But then I am a retard and I am aware that many others will go for it without a second thought and successfully.
Brilliant but that is not me, unfortunately.
Liter O' Test
Member
good job searching for awhile to find an american movie to pretend you can't read my message without google translate
doesnt even fit this context, but you wanted everyone to be see the gif and say "haha good movie" and move on and forget the point that i'm making
