ATTN: OGs and other well known members. Source talk?

[readalot]

Trying to protect a source and justify or trying to make contaminations and particulates in solution acceptable is about as low IQ a post as ive ever seen here.

Floaters are NEVER acceptable, they are undeniable proof that their manufacturing, filtering, and sterilization practices are not acceptable.

Trying to justify them with "well akkktually a vial was found to be sterile" proves that you should have ZERO credibility to speak in this space, and i highly encourage you to refrain from it in the future.

There's still some f'n hope in here.

Merry Christmas Brother.

 

[MindlessWork]

lol. Even most new members know better than to post something stupid like this. But now you’ve invited the “OG” members to come over and set you straight. Good job!

This. OP seems to be a shill account itself and should just fuck the hell off. From all the thumbs down on OP post it shows OP is just a dumb idiot.

 

[MindlessWork]

There are no g2g sources period.

1000%

 

[readalot]

I prefer to stfu

Dedicated to you @biggerben69 and @BigBaldBeardGuy. Tracy as he should remain.

 

[narta]

Dedicated to you @biggerben69 and @BigBaldBeardGuy. Tracy as he should remain.

At your age, you should know that name dropping makes you look like a tool.

 

[readalot]

At your age, you should know that name dropping makes you look like a tool.

I thought I was on ignore. You sure click to show content quite a bit. You are a liar.

Just another "peeker".

Learn what name dropping is. That ain't it. That was a dedication. I don't know either of them and they aren't my buddies. Get it?

Now who is in who's head?

 

[narta]

Learn what name dropping is.

The practice of casually mentioning important people in order to impress your listener.

Savvy?

I thought I was on ignore.

You were

But you are too much fun

 

[egruberman]

Trying to protect a source and justify or trying to make contaminations and particulates in solution acceptable is about as low IQ a post as ive ever seen here.

It's clear you have a lot of strong feelings about this topic and struggle with logic. If you think that what I'm doing is "protecting" a source, you are mistaken. I described my reasoning and my analysis of the circumstances that affect my decision making as a response to why someone would continue to use that particular source.

As for the low IQ comment, I've never seen that expression used so often outside this particular community of meat heads. Like many things, IQ can be tested, and in that department I'm doing okay.

Floaters are NEVER acceptable, they are undeniable proof that their manufacturing, filtering, and sterilization practices are not acceptable.

The plausible explanation for the floaters that have been discovered are that they are either filter fibers from an aggressively tuned vacuum filtration setup or bits of sterile rubber stoppers, which are admittedly cheap. You may consider that undeniable proof of something, in which case, you do you. For me, it's a data point. The absence of floaters don't represent undeniable proof of good manufacturing, sterilization, and filter practices.

Trying to justify them with "well akkktually a vial was found to be sterile" proves that you should have ZERO credibility to speak in this space, and i highly encourage you to refrain from it in the future.

I highly encourage you to fuck right off. When I want your opinion, I'll solicit it. Again, your reading comprehension skills seem to be somewhat lacking. I made no attempt to do anything other than answer the question, "why would someone do business with QSC when there are floaters". I offered my reasoning. It's that simple. Those with reading comprehension can take that for what it's worth and make their own decisions. I imagine you'll continue to let your feelings guide your decision making. Good luck with that.

 

[readalot]

Savvy?


You were

But you are too much fun

Definition of NAME-DROPPING

the studied but seemingly casual mention of prominent persons as associates done to impress others… See the full definition

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the studied but seemingly casual mention of prominent persons as associates done to impress others

I don't know either of them and they aren't my buddies

Savvy?

I know you can read. You are smart.

Definition of DEDICATION

an act or rite of dedicating to a divine being or to a sacred use; a devoting or setting aside for a particular purpose; a name and often a message prefixed to a literary, musical, or artistic production in tribute to a person or cause… See the full definition

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[readalot]

It's clear you have a lot of strong feelings about this topic and struggle with logic. If you think that what I'm doing is "protecting" a source, you are mistaken. I described my reasoning and my analysis of the circumstances that affect my decision making as a response to why someone would continue to use that particular source.

As for the low IQ comment, I've never seen that expression used so often outside this particular community of meat heads. Like many things, IQ can be tested, and in that department I'm doing okay.



The plausible explanation for the floaters that have been discovered are that they are either filter fibers from an aggressively tuned vacuum filtration setup or bits of sterile rubber stoppers, which are admittedly cheap. You may consider that undeniable proof of something, in which case, you do you. For me, it's a data point. The absence of floaters don't represent undeniable proof of good manufacturing, sterilization, and filter practices.



I highly encourage you to fuck right off. When I want your opinion, I'll solicit it. Again, your reading comprehension skills seem to be somewhat lacking. I made no attempt to do anything other than answer the question, "why would someone do business with QSC when there are floaters". I offered my reasoning. It's that simple. Those with reading comprehension can take that for what it's worth and make their own decisions. I imagine you'll continue to let your feelings guide your decision making. Good luck with that.

Your orange letters should be taken out and thrown in the bucket before all the pregnant ladies urinate in it to collect u-hCG feedstock.

 

[BigTomJ]

It's clear you have a lot of strong feelings about this topic and struggle with logic. If you think that what I'm doing is "protecting" a source, you are mistaken. I described my reasoning and my analysis of the circumstances that affect my decision making as a response to why someone would continue to use that particular source.

As for the low IQ comment, I've never seen that expression used so often outside this particular community of meat heads. Like many things, IQ can be tested, and in that department I'm doing okay.



The plausible explanation for the floaters that have been discovered are that they are either filter fibers from an aggressively tuned vacuum filtration setup or bits of sterile rubber stoppers, which are admittedly cheap. You may consider that undeniable proof of something, in which case, you do you. For me, it's a data point. The absence of floaters don't represent undeniable proof of good manufacturing, sterilization, and filter practices.



I highly encourage you to fuck right off. When I want your opinion, I'll solicit it. Again, your reading comprehension skills seem to be somewhat lacking. I made no attempt to do anything other than answer the question, "why would someone do business with QSC when there are floaters". I offered my reasoning. It's that simple. Those with reading comprehension can take that for what it's worth and make their own decisions. I imagine you'll continue to let your feelings guide your decision making. Good luck with that.

Ah i understand, you enjoy the ribbed, veiny texture of source cock sliding down your throat.

"Floaters are okay guys, its just chunks of rubber and filer material, rendering the filter used no longer properly rated for its intended function"

The irony of

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Is also pretty great.

 

[FastBun]

This place is like watching a soap opera …

 

[egruberman]

"Floaters are okay guys, its just chunks of rubber and filer material, rendering the filter used no longer properly rated for its intended function"

Again, your reasoning is deficient. Let me clarify:

"The floaters don't bother me, the plausible explanation for which are sterile filter fibers or bits of rubber stopper, considering that I filter all my gear into a sterile vial, they do nothing to alter my risk of using UGL gear. What I care more about is the quantity of testing and the volume of production."

That's my argument in its entirety. You could address it, or continue to behave like a petulant teenager.

 

[BigTomJ]

Again, your reasoning is deficient. Let me clarify:

"The floaters don't bother me, the plausible explanation for which are sterile filter fibers or bits of rubber stopper, considering that I filter all my gear into a sterile vial, they do nothing to alter my risk of using UGL gear. What I care more about is the quantity of testing and the volume of production."

That's my argument in its entirety. You could address it, or continue to behave like a petulant teenager.

So then you are admitting, that these ARE issues for concern for the 99.9% of the community that doesnt refilter all their supposedly finished injectables.

Thats the point that myself and every other peoson that has voiced a concern with QSC's QAQC practices.

If QSC opted to no longer sell their products as finished oils, i would have no qualms.

QSC is probably one of the top 5 UGL producers by volume today, they also probably do more lab testing than 90% of labs.

These facts do not make them immune from scrutiny when legitimate and serious concerns are raised.
The dismissal of those concerns because it does not effect you personally is not only idiotic, but starkly against this forums purpose, which is harm reduction.

 

[egruberman]

So then you are admitting, that these ARE issues for concern for the 99.9% of the community that doesnt refilter all their supposedly finished injectables.

They are issues for sure and I encourage everyone to use their own judgement based on what they understand and their tolerance for risk. As I wrote, I was specifically answering the question of why someone *would* choose to continue to buy their oils in spite of the issues and how I mitigate the risk of those issues. If that makes me an outlier, then I'm okay with that. However, given the number of people that buy their oils, I think I'm not an outlier.

Thats the point that myself and every other peoson that has voiced a concern with QSC's QAQC practices.

This, again is reasonable, and I believe as a result of people reporting these issues, the vendor is attempting to address them.

QSC is probably one of the top 5 UGL producers by volume today, they also probably do more lab testing than 90% of labs.

Which is the reason I've purchased their oils, not only because of the testing they do, but because of the testing the community does as well. I have never seen a test result for any of their oils that caused concern.

These facts do not make them immune from scrutiny when legitimate and serious concerns are raised.

No vendor is immune from scrutiny. My perception is that they receive more scrutiny than any other, thus my choice to use them.

The dismissal of those concerns because it does not effect you personally is not only idiotic, but starkly against this forums purpose, which is harm reduction.

...and this is where you lost me. You toot the horn of "harm reduction" but what does that actually mean? There is risk inherent in all of this. A practical harm reduction approach would quantify that risk and seek to mitigate it.

I calmly explained my analysis of the risk presented by the floaters and how I address it and also how that mitigation strategy requires no extra effort on my part because I would always filter UGL gear.

As I wrote earlier, the endotoxin test suggests that there is great care to preserve sterility in the manufacturing process. I have doubts that even the best home brewer could achieve similar results. Regardless, that was one test on one vial in one batch. There is no batch identification, nor chain of custody, nothing to guarantee that what I receive is the same as what's been tested. As such, I'm going to filter my gear, at a minimum to guarantee sterility. Since I do that, I I completely mitigate the risk associated with floaters.

That, sir, is harm reduction. I'm not suggesting that the floaters aren't an issue or that it's not something the vendor should address, I'm suggesting that *I* simply don't care, because is poses no threat to me.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Yeah, that is a huge problem of late & IMO it stems from the influx of people from Reddit etc who primarily see Meso as a place to buy PEDs & now meds like GLP’s etc, rather than the more “traditional” type of member that historically dominated Meso’s member base.

and the average gear user is now a nerd in a quarter life crisis.

before steroids got so popular on the internet, it was just athletic guys, actual athletes, or a friend of one of these guys, etc, a specific demographic.

now with the internet, every hobby/subculture is watered down with a bunch of NPCs that wouldn't have any knowledge or interest in it, if it wasn't for the internet putting it directly in front of their eyeballs and spoonfeeding them info,

they would have to organically fall into a subculture and it was like a filter.

If steroids weren't pushed by an algorithim and being shoved down these NPC throats, most of these guys wouldn't even think of touching them, hell they have to be shown steroids every day and have a guy talk to them via entertaining dopamine youtube video to be interested in it. so mainstream

back in my day, if you got into something, you were in the niche, not just gear, anything. you went out, you met people, you did new things, learned stuff from word of mouth. If

like this shit is illegal, even going to the gym wasn't a common thing to do, you'd have to know a guy who knows a guy to get gear and want to progress in the gym FOR YOURSELF, well pretty much anyway, considering instagram and dating apps weren't a thing, You can see thousands and thousands of people talk casually about gear online, millions of views, back in the day you just knew the people who did it around you personally, and some foums.

you'd have to recklessly pump some shit in you because you want to be a monster, not because you want to increase your LBM or post a video to tik tok or you want to take masteron because you think you think it will cure your bitch-itis and you'll start being an alpha male through BIOHACKING.

in my day You just put this shit in your body and you hear a few anecdotes here and there and wing it.
its takes a specific type of dude to want to do this without having their hand held and pushed to it by people on youtube and redddit, reassured that everyone does it and its medically studied and you won't die etc, there was a whole lot of mystery so it took BALLS.

in the days of the anti steroid 1990s early 2000s, even when weed was kind of taboo. now nothing is.

so we have all these mainstream NPC idiots bringing their NPC thinking here like its an afterschool club, makes me SICK.

guess what nerds? get in the locker before i shove you in it

 

[accidentaljedi173]

They are issues for sure and I encourage everyone to use their own judgement based on what they understand and their tolerance for risk. As I wrote, I was specifically answering the question of why someone *would* choose to continue to buy their oils in spite of the issues and how I mitigate the risk of those issues. If that makes me an outlier, then I'm okay with that. However, given the number of people that buy their oils, I think I'm not an outlier.



This, again is reasonable, and I believe as a result of people reporting these issues, the vendor is attempting to address them.



Which is the reason I've purchased their oils, not only because of the testing they do, but because of the testing the community does as well. I have never seen a test result for any of their oils that caused concern.



No vendor is immune from scrutiny. My perception is that they receive more scrutiny than any other, thus my choice to use them.



...and this is where you lost me. You toot the horn of "harm reduction" but what does that actually mean? There is risk inherent in all of this. A practical harm reduction approach would quantify that risk and seek to mitigate it.

I calmly explained my analysis of the risk presented by the floaters and how I address it and also how that mitigation strategy requires no extra effort on my part because I would always filter UGL gear.

As I wrote earlier, the endotoxin test suggests that there is great care to preserve sterility in the manufacturing process. I have doubts that even the best home brewer could achieve similar results. Regardless, that was one test on one vial in one batch. There is no batch identification, nor chain of custody, nothing to guarantee that what I receive is the same as what's been tested. As such, I'm going to filter my gear, at a minimum to guarantee sterility. Since I do that, I I completely mitigate the risk associated with floaters.

That, sir, is harm reduction. I'm not suggesting that the floaters aren't an issue or that it's not something the vendor should address, I'm suggesting that *I* simply don't care, because is poses no threat to me.

Idk, the "it doesn't effect me so it's not my problem" attitude is rubbing me the wrong way. Are you saying that qsc doesn't need to address the issues because you don't care about them? I don't understand how that's a proper defense to any of their issues.

 

[egruberman]

Idk, the "it doesn't effect me so it's not my problem" attitude is rubbing me the wrong way. Are you saying that qsc doesn't need to address the issues because you don't care about them? I don't understand how that's a proper defense to any of their issues.

Holy fucking shit, can you people read or not?

It doesn't affect me because I filter all my gear and so should you. Whether or not QSC *should* address it is up to them and their business goals. I hope they will so everyone will shut the fuck up about it.

Which, to be clear, doesn't mean that I don't believe that people shouldn't report it if they find it in their gear, but all the fucking people hand wringing about it that have never purchased oils from them.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Holy fucking shit, can you people read or not?

It doesn't affect me because I filter all my gear and so should you. Whether or not QSC *should* address it is up to them and their business goals. I hope they will so everyone will shut the fuck up about it.

Which, to be clear, doesn't mean that I don't believe that people shouldn't report it if they find it in their gear, but all the fucking people hand wringing about it that have never purchased oils from them.

You have a weird stance on things. Are you above being called out for it? Your attitude is shit man. People like you are why qsc is getting away with shit. You get free gear for defending them so hard? You'd prolly inject Tracy's spit, but you'd filter it so it's ok, and everyone else should be ok with it because that's what you do, and they should to.

 

[iris]

Idk, the "it doesn't effect me so it's not my problem" attitude is rubbing me the wrong way. Are you saying that qsc doesn't need to address the issues because you don't care about them? I don't understand how that's a proper defense to any of their issues.

Listen: floaters are a red herring, then "I personally don't care because I etc etc and also many people buy from them and so it's not a problem".

If they want to fix it yay if not we have not asked for your opinion, so shut it.

In any case, you are only complaining because you have never even bought highly tested finished gear from Qsc.
How could you?
Go sit on the naughty step.
I will deal with you, later.

You are a low class female cat lacking reading comprehension.
It's clear to see that high estrogen and emotions dictate your illegal drugs purchasing.
If you used logical thinking, you wouldn't be complaining about floaters and related material.
I mean, BigTomJ is prime example of this irrational drivel.
Look at the guy, he has no idea.

Capisci?