ATTN: OGs and other well known members. Source talk?

[readalot]

Hell I'm convinced you're Ai too.

You really think so?

 

[readalot]

 

[narta]

The iris plot thickens

Fixed that for you

 

[RekTest]

Fixed that for you

I detect no lies

 

[iris]

Fixed that for you

Thank you

 

[iris]

You really think so?

So knowledgeable and eloquent, it can only be Ai.
Deffo.
Busted

 

[brutalbuilt]

do what everyone else did and do your own research and figure it out yourself

 

[Zebedee]

Let's face it, the old MESO would have run QSC out of here. That WKNs and "OGs" haven't banded together to give this "source" not a moments rest is a complete mystery to me.

Define “old Meso”?

IE the likes of BBBG & his clique of now mostly banned members were still here after QSC became established. They (& others) tried to run Tracy off Meso …. & they failed miserably, & through no fault of their own, nor a lack of trying.

This idea you have that WKM’s / established guys can run someone like QSC off the forum is IMO misguided. He’s the most popular source here for a reason - well several actually - price, product range & (finished oils aside), most of what he sells is absolutely fine - as shown by a million & one Jano results.

I say this as someone who despises him & will not personally buy from him because of his attitude & previous scamming behaviour - but this doesn’t make me blind to the fact that most are happy to buy from him & I for one respect that that’s their choice.

Regarding the WKM / OG etc aspect - pushing 25 years of forum experience has taught me that putting prominent members on pedestals & giving them too much influence isn’t the best idea because the longer & deeper guys get into the PED scene, the more likely they are to have fingers in pies.

 

[biggerben69]

@biggerben69

Thanks for the tag, RekTest...

That's why I replied to BTJ.
Not coming at you at all.

And maybe 2G OG isn't the right term. IDK. Definitely used to kick the shit out of subpar vendors.

It was so different and it was just a few years ago. We all wanted to be able to take back some control and have some idea what we were putting into our bodies. We were at the mercy of our sources who, in turn, were at the mercy of their raw powder suppliers.

Those suppliers were faceless old men(in all liklihood) in China who weren't like us. They weren't about the lifestyle.

They may as well have been from another planet. The People's Republic can't be a fun place to exist? The language, to me, is what makes it so distant. Symbols instead of letters?

Alibaba and other platforms. How often when looking for the best price were guys buying raws cut to stretch profits.

Brand new sources on meso made a purchase of raws to get their lab off the ground. The same way online selective scamming sources filled those first test orders so that the next order would be worth stealing, the new sources on meso would be off to a good start and then would need to place a larger order of raws to be able to keep filling orders. That's when Primo would be replaced with something else....anavar would be Dbol, etc.

Guys would post about not understanding why sources would pull the bullshit they did. Just fill orders and they'd clean up. Most wanted to, but again, the powers that be controlling what was shipped for raws were pulling the strings.

I believe the lab in San Diego was called San Rafael? Thats where we sent samples for testing the way we send to Jano today.

When our gov't sent in the Storm Troopers with machine guns in case the chemists and lab assistants decided they weren't going to be taken alive we knew we were in trouble. Harm Reduction. Not if our elected officials had anything to say about it.

To be able to know what we were taking was so important. We were going to ingest what we wanted to test no matter what. Why help us be safe? The stigma of needles has us grouped in with IV drug users. Those folks are very sick or on their way to being sick. I was of the understanding that the marginalized segments of our society(not that we are, but we are grouped with those that are) should be helped by our gov't. Needle exchange programs staked out by LE, etc. Tyrants.

I'm not as angry as I once was. Takes a lot of energy to be angry all the time. My ex-wife used to ask me what I was hiding every couple of days because I walked around with my fists clenched.

Everything changed when testing became affordable to all(most). When Millard began his campaign and when his vision was finally realized with anaboliclab.co* going online, the Community finally started to turn the corner.

Today, there's more accurately dosed gear than ever before. This has changed the landscape and made the need for the way I was and the things I used to do pretty much obsolete. Its not as exciting but its what we wanted and strove for.

QSC. I was of the belief that competition would take care of that bargain basement slum lord. We've seen GA make strides. Seems like the state of affairs in China with raw manufacturers and dealers facing repurcussions changed the focus for a bit. I've heard that things are going to workthemselves out and raws aren't going to be endangered.

Hopefully, things will get on track and the competition will push QSC into a corner. They way tracy talks to members irritated me and got me posting in his thread. Thankfully Millard deleted a couple of my more colorful posts instead of banning me. I regressed to my old ways of insulting and threatening.

Ultimately, the consumer controls the fate of these vendors. That's where competition comes into play. QSC gets away with what it does because they are the cheapest vendor out there. Its not because of tracy's demeanor/attitude. Cheap prices allow tracy to exist and be the pos he is. The right vendor will force a big change or will slowly choke QSC out of existence.

But also Skunkhunt seems really cool and he is still around

Ol' Skunkhunt is around. You gotta know the secret handshake to bring him to the table, though.... @SkankHunt

 

[SkankHunt]

Thanks for the tag, RekTest...

It was so different and it was just a few years ago. We all wanted to be able to take back some control and have some idea what we were putting into our bodies. We were at the mercy of our sources who, in turn, were at the mercy of their raw powder suppliers.

Those suppliers were faceless old men(in all liklihood) in China who weren't like us. They weren't about the lifestyle.

They may as well have been from another planet. The People's Republic can't be a fun place to exist? The language, to me, is what makes it so distant. Symbols instead of letters?

Alibaba and other platforms. How often when looking for the best price were guys buying raws cut to stretch profits.

Brand new sources on meso made a purchase of raws to get their lab off the ground. The same way online selective scamming sources filled those first test orders so that the next order would be worth stealing, the new sources on meso would be off to a good start and then would need to place a larger order of raws to be able to keep filling orders. That's when Primo would be replaced with something else....anavar would be Dbol, etc.

Guys would post about not understanding why sources would pull the bullshit they did. Just fill orders and they'd clean up. Most wanted to, but again, the powers that be controlling what was shipped for raws were pulling the strings.

I believe the lab in San Diego was called San Rafael? Thats where we sent samples for testing the way we send to Jano today.

When our gov't sent in the Storm Troopers with machine guns in case the chemists and lab assistants decided they weren't going to be taken alive we knew we were in trouble. Harm Reduction. Not if our elected officials had anything to say about it.

To be able to know what we were taking was so important. We were going to ingest what we wanted to test no matter what. Why help us be safe? The stigma of needles has us grouped in with IV drug users. Those folks are very sick or on their way to being sick. I was of the understanding that the marginalized segments of our society(not that we are, but we are grouped with those that are) should be helped by our gov't. Needle exchange programs staked out by LE, etc. Tyrants.

I'm not as angry as I once was. Takes a lot of energy to be angry all the time. My ex-wife used to ask me what I was hiding every couple of days because I walked around with my fists clenched.

Everything changed when testing became affordable to all(most). When Millard began his campaign and when his vision was finally realized with anaboliclab.co* going online, the Community finally started to turn the corner.

Today, there's more accurately dosed gear than ever before. This has changed the landscape and made the need for the way I was and the things I used to do pretty much obsolete. Its not as exciting but its what we wanted and strove for.

QSC. I was of the belief that competition would take care of that bargain basement slum lord. We've seen GA make strides. Seems like the state of affairs in China with raw manufacturers and dealers facing repurcussions changed the focus for a bit. I've heard that things are going to workthemselves out and raws aren't going to be endangered.

Hopefully, things will get on track and the competition will push QSC into a corner. They way tracy talks to members irritated me and got me posting in his thread. Thankfully Millard deleted a couple of my more colorful posts instead of banning me. I regressed to my old ways of insulting and threatening.

Ultimately, the consumer controls the fate of these vendors. That's where competition comes into play. QSC gets away with what it does because they are the cheapest vendor out there. Its not because of tracy's demeanor/attitude. Cheap prices allow tracy to exist and be the pos he is. The right vendor will force a big change or will slowly choke QSC out of existence.



Ol' Skunkhunt is around. You gotta know the secret handshake to bring him to the table, though.... @SkankHunt

 

[RekTest]

Thanks for the tag, RekTest...

It was so different and it was just a few years ago. We all wanted to be able to take back some control and have some idea what we were putting into our bodies. We were at the mercy of our sources who, in turn, were at the mercy of their raw powder suppliers.

Those suppliers were faceless old men(in all liklihood) in China who weren't like us. They weren't about the lifestyle.

They may as well have been from another planet. The People's Republic can't be a fun place to exist? The language, to me, is what makes it so distant. Symbols instead of letters?

Alibaba and other platforms. How often when looking for the best price were guys buying raws cut to stretch profits.

Brand new sources on meso made a purchase of raws to get their lab off the ground. The same way online selective scamming sources filled those first test orders so that the next order would be worth stealing, the new sources on meso would be off to a good start and then would need to place a larger order of raws to be able to keep filling orders. That's when Primo would be replaced with something else....anavar would be Dbol, etc.

Guys would post about not understanding why sources would pull the bullshit they did. Just fill orders and they'd clean up. Most wanted to, but again, the powers that be controlling what was shipped for raws were pulling the strings.

I believe the lab in San Diego was called San Rafael? Thats where we sent samples for testing the way we send to Jano today.

When our gov't sent in the Storm Troopers with machine guns in case the chemists and lab assistants decided they weren't going to be taken alive we knew we were in trouble. Harm Reduction. Not if our elected officials had anything to say about it.

To be able to know what we were taking was so important. We were going to ingest what we wanted to test no matter what. Why help us be safe? The stigma of needles has us grouped in with IV drug users. Those folks are very sick or on their way to being sick. I was of the understanding that the marginalized segments of our society(not that we are, but we are grouped with those that are) should be helped by our gov't. Needle exchange programs staked out by LE, etc. Tyrants.

I'm not as angry as I once was. Takes a lot of energy to be angry all the time. My ex-wife used to ask me what I was hiding every couple of days because I walked around with my fists clenched.

Everything changed when testing became affordable to all(most). When Millard began his campaign and when his vision was finally realized with anaboliclab.co* going online, the Community finally started to turn the corner.

Today, there's more accurately dosed gear than ever before. This has changed the landscape and made the need for the way I was and the things I used to do pretty much obsolete. Its not as exciting but its what we wanted and strove for.

QSC. I was of the belief that competition would take care of that bargain basement slum lord. We've seen GA make strides. Seems like the state of affairs in China with raw manufacturers and dealers facing repurcussions changed the focus for a bit. I've heard that things are going to workthemselves out and raws aren't going to be endangered.

Hopefully, things will get on track and the competition will push QSC into a corner. They way tracy talks to members irritated me and got me posting in his thread. Thankfully Millard deleted a couple of my more colorful posts instead of banning me. I regressed to my old ways of insulting and threatening.

Ultimately, the consumer controls the fate of these vendors. That's where competition comes into play. QSC gets away with what it does because they are the cheapest vendor out there. Its not because of tracy's demeanor/attitude. Cheap prices allow tracy to exist and be the pos he is. The right vendor will force a big change or will slowly choke QSC out of existence.



Ol' Skunkhunt is around. You gotta know the secret handshake to bring him to the table, though.... @SkankHunt

I love everytime you come around and write , everytime you drop so much info

 

[Millard]

The truly impartial/knowledgeable/credible members will almost never discuss their choice in sources publicly.

Let's talk about this..

So we should only trust those people who secretly promote sources via PM/DM?

Sign me up for this clique!

I am certain they are just as harsh on the sources they secretly promote as they are on the ones they publicly blast.

We can always trust impartiality even with the lack of full disclosure/transparency, right?

 

[BigTomJ]

Let's talk about this..

So we should only trust those people who secretly promote sources via PM/DM?

No, that's not the point I was making.
My point is that the people who are truly unaffiliated with sources, are aware that even the most candid statement on experience with a particular source can be misconstrued as shilling or an advocation of that sources quality.

Which I inherently disagree with, individuals should make their own decisions on the quality of a source by the frequency and consistency of their testing, the strength of their testing credit, and the integrity in which they handle issues, rather than because an orange name they have never met said they used them once.

I am certain they are just as harsh on the sources they secretly promote as they are on the ones they publicly blast.

There are definitely quite a few that masquerade as community advocates in vetting sources, subverting their competition.
I don't think this detracts from my original point.

In PM/DM with people you don't know more than just a username on a forum should be considered "public" for the purposes of my original statement.

We can always trust impartiality even with the lack of full disclosure/transparency, right?

I think there is a fine line between disclosure, and advertisement.

Which is why I personally subscribe to the philosophy of not discussing whether I use a source or not and instead focusing on the merits/faults that are present.

The community doesn't benefit from me saying "I used abc's gear" and the only reason a statement like that would carry any merit would be based on my alleged reputation and credibility are a reliable source of information.

This obviously does not include posting data like lab testing.

 

[readalot]

Define “old Meso”?

IE the likes of BBBG & his clique of now mostly banned members were still here after QSC became established. They (& others) tried to run Tracy off Meso …. & they failed miserably, & through no fault of their own, nor a lack of trying.

Good point. I haven't spent a great deal of time studying how that all played out.

This idea you have that WKM’s / established guys can run someone like QSC off the forum is IMO misguided. He’s the most popular source here for a reason - well several actually - price, product range & (finished oils aside), most of what he sells is absolutely fine - as shown by a million & one Jano results.

Yes, wishful thinking on my part. Definitely. As "Tracy" has stated, much "better" members than me have tried. The reality is the membership here don't adhere to the basic standards many have fought so hard to acheive and "mainstream".

You always have such solid reasoning. If you do this while running significant amounts of androgens I further applaud you.

I say this as someone who despises him & will not personally buy from him because of his attitude & previous scamming behaviour - but this doesn’t make me blind to the fact that most are happy to buy from him & I for one respect that that’s their choice.

I respect your opinions here.

Regarding the WKM / OG etc aspect - pushing 25 years of forum experience has taught me that putting prominent members on pedestals & giving them too much influence isn’t the best idea because the longer & deeper guys get into the PED scene, the more likely they are to have fingers in pies.

No I wasn't putting anyone on a pedestal but more wishful thinking. I'm too idealistic for the practical realities involved in the black market of androgens. I still don't accept the decisions that were made which forced them into the same suppliers/rules as street drugs.

I assume everyone has their fingers in multiple pies. Never meet your heroes.

I received a DM the other day that really does a nice job capturing all of my thoughts on this. I'll ask the author if I can share anonymously. Was exceptionally well done.

 

[Zebedee]

No I wasn't putting anyone on a pedestal but more wishful thinking.

No mate, I didn’t think you put anyone on a pedestal as such yourself, but others have.

My reason for posting was more to highlight that allowing any individual members (or cliques) to wield too much influence is extremely problematic. The strength of the Meso system, that of unmoderated source threads, lies with majority feedback rather than “personalities” &/or those who shout the loudest.

 

[Zebedee]

The reality is the membership here don't adhere to the basic standards many have fought so hard to acheive and "mainstream".

Yeah, that is a huge problem of late & IMO it stems from the influx of people from Reddit etc who primarily see Meso as a place to buy PEDs & now meds like GLP’s etc, rather than the more “traditional” type of member that historically dominated Meso’s member base.

 

[Ateam2023]

Yeah, that is a huge problem of late & IMO it stems from the influx of people from Reddit etc who primarily see Meso as a place to buy PEDs & now meds like GLP’s etc, rather than the more “traditional” type of member that historically dominated Meso’s member base.

i agree with the fact that many "users" are just sourcing cheap gear/peptides to resell , Not giving two shits about "harm reduction ", in the year or so i've been here i have seen the influxes of users who only care about cost and delivery times,,,,

 

[readalot]

No mate, I didn’t think you put anyone on a pedestal as such yourself, but others have.

My reason for posting was more to highlight that allowing any individual members (or cliques) to wield too much influence is extremely problematic. The strength of the Meso system, that of unmoderated source threads, lies with majority feedback rather than “personalities” &/or those who shout the loudest.

My apology. I shouldn't have written the word "no" to start that sentence. Grateful for you. Trying to make note of what to be grateful for today.

No I wasn't putting anyone on a pedestal but more wishful thinking. I'm too idealistic for the practical realities involved in the black market of androgens

 

[FastBun]

Yeah, that is a huge problem of late & IMO it stems from the influx of people from Reddit etc who primarily see Meso as a place to buy PEDs & now meds like GLP’s etc, rather than the more “traditional” type of member that historically dominated Meso’s member base.

so many young teenagers getting influenced by social media.. these forums will never be the same.. all about cheapest sources or fastest TA. as of now sources aren’t even testing raws only 2…

 

[Zebedee]

My apology. I shouldn't have written the word "no" to start that sentence. Grateful for you. Trying to make note of what to be grateful for today.

Honestly mate, it’s no big deal & no need to apologise for anything here. As long as people remain reasonably polite & respectful I’m a happy bunny.